Trial 1 Transcript Chris Albert
Trial 1 / Day 8 / May 9, 2024
5 pages · 2 witnesses · 2,244 lines
Waterfall video timing, Canton relationship questioning, and Julie Albert's account of the gathering were examined.
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PROCEEDINGS May 9, 2024

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(Court in session at 9:05 a.m.)

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(Defendant present. Jury present.)

4 17:04

COURT CLERK: 22-117, Commonwealth versus Karen Read. Would counsel identify themselves for the record, please?

5 17:07

MR. LALLY: Adam Lally, for the Commonwealth. Good morning, Your Honor.

6 17:08

JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning, Mr. Lally.

7 17:10

MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Good morning, Your Honor. Laura McLaughlin, for the Commonwealth.

8 17:10

JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning, Ms. McLaughlin.

9 17:11

MR. JACKSON: Good morning, Your Honor. Alan Jackson, for Ms. Read.

10 17:11

JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning, Mr. Jackson.

11 17:16

MS. LITTLE: Good morning, Your Honor. Elizabeth Little, also on behalf of Ms. Read.

12 17:17

JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning, Ms. Little.

13 17:18

MR. YANNETTI: And good morning, Your Honor. David Yannetti, for Karen Read.

14 17:18

JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning, Mr. Yannetti. Good morning, Ms. Read. Good morning, jurors. I have to ask you those same three questions. Was everyone able to follow the instructions and refrain from discussing this case with anyone since we left yesterday? Every said “yes” or nodded affirmatively. Were you also able to follow the instructions and refrain from doing any independent research or investigation into this case? Everyone said “yes” or nodded affirmatively. Did anyone happen to see, hear or read anything about this case, even inadvertently, since we met yesterday? Okay. So I am going to see counsel at sidebar for just a moment.

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Court Order: Jurors or Juror Issues [REDACTED]

16 20:36

JUDGE CANNONE: So, Mr. Lally, your next witness, please.

17 20:40

MR. LALLY: Yes, Your Honor. The Commonwealth would call Mr. Christopher Albert to the stand.

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Whereupon, CHRISTOPHER ALBERT having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

19 21:29

JUDGE CANNONE: Any time you’re ready, Mr. Lally.

20 21:31

MR. LALLY: Thank you, Your Honor.

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DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. LALLY:

22 21:32

MR. LALLY: Good morning, sir.

23 21:33

MR. ALBERT: Good morning, sir.

24 21:34

MR. LALLY: Could you please state your name and spell your last name for the jury?

25 21:37

MR. ALBERT: It’s Christopher Albert, A-L-B-E-R-T.

26 21:42

MR. LALLY: And where do you live, sir?

27 21:43

MR. ALBERT: I live at [REDACTED], Canton, Mass.

28 21:47

MR. LALLY: And how long have you lived there?

29 21:50

MR. ALBERT: Almost two years.

30 21:55

MR. LALLY: And how long have you lived in Canton?

31 21:59

MR. ALBERT: Since 1974.

32 22:01

MR. LALLY: And, so, pretty much your whole life?

33 22:04

MR. ALBERT: Pretty much. Since I was four.

34 22:07

MR. LALLY: And prior to living on Maple, where did you live in Canton before that?

35 22:14

MR. ALBERT: 7 Meadows Ave. in Canton.

36 22:17

MR. LALLY: And how long did you live at 7 Meadows?

37 22:21

MR. ALBERT: From 2001 to 2021. About 20 years.

38 22:28

MR. LALLY: And who, if anyone, do you live with now?

39 22:30

MR. ALBERT: I live with my wife, Julie; my oldest son, who just came home from the Navy; my middle son, Colin; and my youngest son, [REDACTED].

40 22:41

MR. LALLY: And how long have you and your wife Julie been married?

41 22:47

MR. ALBERT: Roughly -- gosh, she’s going to kill me -- 21 years. Around 21 years.

42 22:58

MR. LALLY: You mentioned you and your wife, Julie, have three sons?

43 23:01

MR. ALBERT: Yeah.

44 23:02

MR. LALLY: And how old are they?

45 23:03

MR. ALBERT: My oldest is 25, my middle is 20, and my youngest is 16.

46 23:11

MR. LALLY: Now, do you work, sir?

47 23:14

MR. ALBERT: Yes, I do.

48 23:15

MR. LALLY: What do you do for work?

49 23:15

MR. ALBERT: I’m self-employed. I own a small pizza shop.

50 23:19

MR. LALLY: What’s the name of the pizza shop?

51 23:20

MR. ALBERT: It’s called D&E Pizza.

52 23:21

MR. LALLY: And how long have you owned that?

53 23:24

MR. ALBERT: Twenty-five years this March.

54 23:26

MR. LALLY: And prior to that did you work sort of in the same industry?

55 23:30

MR. ALBERT: Same industry pretty much my whole life.

56 23:33

MR. LALLY: And does your wife work?

57 23:34

MR. ALBERT: She does not.

58 23:36

MR. LALLY: Does she help out with the D&E Pizza shop at times?

59 23:38

MR. ALBERT: She does some the behind-the-scene stuff, yes.

60 23:43

MR. LALLY: Now, when you lived on Meadows Ave., did you have occasion to become familiar with someone named John O’ Keefe?

61 23:51

MR. ALBERT: Yes, I did.

62 23:52

MR. LALLY: And how is it that you sort of -- how is it that you knew John O’ Keefe?

63 23:56

MR. ALBERT: So he bought One Meadows Ave., the top house, maybe like 2017, so he became my neighbor. And I guess just from me driving by his house and coming home I saw him, would wave to him and stuff. That’s how I initially became to know who John was.

64 24:19

MR. LALLY: And you mentioned he bought the house at sort of the top of the street; is that correct?

65 24:22

MR. ALBERT: Yes, the very -- if you’re coming off Pleasant, you take a right down Meadows. It’s the first on the right.

66 24:27

MR. LALLY: And then on Meadows Ave., how about how many houses are on Meadows?

67 24:35

MR. ALBERT: Well, between us or down the whole street, you mean?

68 24:38

MR. LALLY: First down the whole street and then between you.

69 24:42

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. So roughly on the whole street, I would say there’s like close to 30 houses from top to bottom on both sides.

70 24:48

MR. LALLY: And then how about in between one and seven?

71 24:50

MR. ALBERT: So there’s two. There’s two houses between mine and John’s.

72 24:54

MR. LALLY: And your house is both odd numbers. Are they on the same side of the street?

73 24:58

MR. ALBERT: Same side, yeah.

74 24:59

MR. LALLY: Now, you said that that’s how you initially came to know John O’Keefe. How did your relationship sort of go on from there?

75 25:06

MR. ALBERT: So over the years, like, he was friendly with some other folks that I was friends with, so we’d maybe be out occasionally and bump into him. But he would also come to my pizza shop a lot. He would take his nephew [REDACTED] in my pizza shop a lot, so it was not uncommon for him to stop by a couple of days a week and usually just grab a slice.

76 25:34

MR. LALLY: Now, you grew up in Canton; correct?

77 25:36
78 25:36

MR. LALLY: And do you have any siblings?

79 25:38

MR. ALBERT: I do. I have six.

80 25:41

MR. LALLY: And what are the names of your six siblings?

81 25:44

MR. ALBERT: So my oldest is my older brother Brian. I have a sister, Kathleen. She’s older than me. And then I’m next in line. And then I have a brother Kevin, then a brother Keith, Brendon and Timmy. Seven of us.

82 26:01

MR. LALLY: Where is it that you sort of fit in in that sort of --

83 26:05

MR. ALBERT: I’m the third oldest.

84 26:05

MR. LALLY: Third oldest. Now, your older brother, Brian, what does he do for work?

85 26:10

MR. ALBERT: He’s a Boston Police officer, or he was. dHe’s recently retired.

86 26:13

MR. LALLY: And your brother Kevin, what does he do for work?

87 26:15

MR. ALBERT: He’s a Canton Police officer.

88 26:18

MR. LALLY: And John O’ Keefe, were you familiar with what he did for work?

89 26:21

MR. ALBERT: Yes. I knew he was a Boston Police officer as well.

90 26:24

MR. LALLY: Now, sir, if I could turn your attention to January 28th, 2022, do you recall that day?

91 26:32

MR. ALBERT: Yes, I do.

92 26:34

MR. LALLY: And do you recall what day of the week that was?

93 26:36

MR. ALBERT: It was a Friday, I believe.

94 26:38

MR. LALLY: And were you working at the D&E Pizza shop on that day?

95 26:41

MR. ALBERT: I was.

96 26:42

MR. LALLY: And at some point in time in the afternoon who, if anyone, of note sort of came into D&E?

97 26:47

MR. ALBERT: John came in that day with his nephew, [REDACTED].

98 26:52

MR. LALLY: And do you recall what did they get that day?

99 26:55

MR. ALBERT: They just got two slices of pizza, if I recall correctly.

100 26:59

MR. LALLY: And what, if any, conversation did you have with Mr. O’Keefe as far as plans for later in the evening?

101 27:06

MR. ALBERT: So he asked me if I had any plans that night, and I said, unfortunately, it’s Friday and I’m working pretty much till close. And I said but it’s my nephew’s birthday and I know a bunch of people are heading out and I was planning on meeting up with them later when I got out of work. So I think I said to him -- I said to him I’1l1l shoot you a text later, if you’re around maybe we can hook up.

102 27:31

MR. LALLY: So, in that sense -- or how would you describe your relationship with Mr. O’ Keefe?

103 27:36

MR. ALBERT: Oh, it was a good relationship, yeah.

104 27:38

MR. LALLY: Would you consider yourself friends?

105 27:40

MR. ALBERT: Yeah, absolutely.

106 27:42

MR. LALLY: Now, pushing forward on January 28th, about what time was it, if you know, that you sort of closed up shop that night?

107 27:52

MR. ALBERT: So the shop stays open until 10:00. I know that I left sometime a little bit before 10:00. I had my wife drop me off some clothes. And it was like a ritual she would, because those nights are tough for me to get out early and go home. So she dropped me off some clothes. And I remember just changing quick, washing up a little bit and then leaving. So I think I left before the store actually closed a few minutes.

108 28:17

MR. LALLY: Now, during the time or prior to you leaving the pizza shop, what, if any, conversation via text did you have with Mr. O’ Keefe?

109 28:28

MR. ALBERT: He asked where I was. I said I was still working. And he said something like why don’t you talk to boss, see if you can get out of there. And I just said I’m married to this place. It’s tough. I’11 text you when I leave. And then I shot him a text, I think, when I got down to Waterfall and I said where are you.

110 28:51

MR. LALLY: And where did he say that he was?

111 28:54

MR. ALBERT: He was at C.F.’s, C.F. McCarthy’s.

112 28:56

MR. LALLY: And are you familiar with both of those establishments, as far as C.F. McCarthy’s and Waterfall?

113 29:00

MR. ALBERT: Yes, I am.

114 29:02

MR. LALLY: And with regard to your pizza shop, where is C.F. McCarthy’s in relation to that and where is the Waterfall in relation to that?

115 29:09

MR. ALBERT: So, if I was sitting at my front door looking out, C.F. McCarthy’s would be to my right, and Waterfall would be down the street diagonal, maybe like 200 yards, on the opposite side of the street.

116 29:23

MR. LALLY: So both sort of walking distance from where you work?

117 29:26

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. Yeah.

118 29:27

MR. LALLY: Now, your home on Maple, where is that in relation to those businesses on Washington Street, including your own?

119 29:34

MR. ALBERT: So Maple Street is like -- probably from my pizza shop is maybe like a five-minute walk, you know, it’s not far, anda little closer to Waterfall. So maybe it’s like a seven-minute walk from D&E and like a five-minute walk from Waterfall.

120 29:55

MR. LALLY: And are there any sort of —-- in the area of where you live is there any sort of like town buildings or anything like that?

121 30:01

MR. ALBERT: Yes. So I kind of live behind the library. Like you take a left on Maple and the library is like two buildings after me on the left-hand side. And then the town hall is little further down on the right.

122 30:15

MR. LALLY: And the library that’s around where you live, is that the only public library in town?

123 30:21

MR. ALBERT: Besides what’s inside schools, yeah, that’s the only public library.

124 30:26

MR. LALLY: And, so, again, I’m sorry, about what time is that you leave D&E to go to Waterfall?

125 30:31

MR. ALBERT: Just before 10:00. Maybe like 9:50-ish.

126 30:35

MR. LALLY: And, as far meeting up with people, who is it that directs you to go to Waterfall specifically?

127 30:42

MR. ALBERT: I think my wife said are you coming down, are you there. She was down there. So I hada conversation with her. I think that’s how I headed down there.

128 30:52

MR. LALLY: So you went there to meet your wife; correct?

129 30:53

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. Yeah. She was down there.

130 30:55

MR. LALLY: And had you been to the Waterfall before?

131 30:57
132 30:58

MR. LALLY: And, so, when you walk into the Waterfall, where did you go as far as -- who, if anyone, did you recognize when you came in?

133 31:04

MR. ALBERT: So it’s pretty much when you walk in it’s just kind of like open. And my wife was there. Matt McCabe was there. Jen McCabe was there. My sister-in-law Nicole was there. My niece Caitlin was there. I think when I first walked in that’s who was there.

134 31:26

MR. LALLY: And you mentioned Jennifer and Matt McCabe; is that right?

135 31:30

MR. ALBERT: Yeah.

136 31:30

MR. LALLY: And how do you know them?

137 31:32

MR. ALBERT: Well, I grew up with -- I didn’t grow up with Jen. She’s younger than me. But she’s lived in Canton for a long time. My brother Brian is married to her Sister, Nicole. So I’ve known her pretty much my whole life.

138 31:48

MR. LALLY: And you were testifying earlier about some of the people that you and Mr. O’Keefe sort of knew in common. Would Mrs. McCabe be one of those people?

139 31:54

MR. ALBERT: Yes. Yeah.

140 31:56

MR. LALLY: And, when you walk in, relative to the establishment, whereabouts were those people situated?

141 32:05

MR. ALBERT: So they were on like a table that was close to the bar. It’s like set up they have like three tables in a row. And I think we were maybe either in the middle or the next table to the bar.

142 32:18

MR. LALLY: So, with those three sort of tables together, if you know, about how long a table are we talking about?

143 32:26

MR. ALBERT: I would say they’re about a six-foot table.

144 32:30

MR. LALLY: And was this a low-top, high-top, or something else?

145 32:32

MR. ALBERT: It’s like a high-top.

146 32:34

MR. LALLY: And located close to the bar; is that correct?

147 32:36
148 32:37

MR. LALLY: What, if anything, do you recall from that evening as far as entertainment within the Waterfall?

149 32:41

MR. ALBERT: There was a live band that was playing to the side.

150 32:46

MR. LALLY: And about how close to your table was the live band that was playing?

151 32:49

MR. ALBERT: Oh, within like six or seven feet probably.

152 32:52

MR. LALLY: So fair to say pretty loud in there?

153 32:54

MR. ALBERT: Pretty loud, yeah.

154 32:55

MR. LALLY: And when you walk in, where do you sort of -- where do you go in reference to sort of the other people at the table?

155 33:01

MR. ALBERT: I went right over to the table and I think I walked right over, said hello to them, sat down.

156 33:07

MR. LALLY: And what, if anything, did you order when you got there?

157 33:11

MR. ALBERT: I ordered a beer.

158 33:13

MR. LALLY: And did you eat while you were there as well?

159 33:16

MR. ALBERT: I did, yeah. I was starving. I didn’t eat at all day, so I ordered some food, appetizers.

160 33:22

MR. LALLY: And throughout the course of the evening what is it -- you’re at a bar, so you’re drinking; correct?

161 33:27

MR. ALBERT: Sure.

162 33:28

MR. LALLY: And what were you drinking?

163 33:31

MR. ALBERT: Miller Lite.

164 33:32

MR. LALLY: And is that sort of normally what you would drink when you go out?

165 33:36

MR. ALBERT: Yeah.

166 33:37

MR. LALLY: Now, you mentioned that initially when you get there it’s yourself, your brother Brian, his wife, the McCabes, and your niece Caitlin; is that correct?

167 33:45

MR. ALBERT: No. My brother Brian wasn’t there yet.

168 33:48

MR. LALLY: Okay.

169 33:48

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. There was Jen McCabe, Matt McCabe, my wife, Caitlin, and Nicole.

170 34:00

MR. LALLY: Thank you for correcting me.

171 34:01

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. No problem. Sorry.

172 34:02

MR. LALLY: So at some point shortly after that or at some point who, if anyone else, arrives and sort of joins your table, your group?

173 34:12

MR. ALBERT: So my brother Brian and a gentleman named Brian Higgins, they came and joined us.

174 34:17

MR. LALLY: And Brian Higgins, is that someone that you had met previously?

175 34:20

MR. ALBERT: Yeah, a few times.

176 34:23

MR. LALLY: And how did you know him?

177 34:25

MR. ALBERT: I don’t know how I initially met him, but just probably just seen him around. I knew that he worked as an ATF agent. I knew that he worked inside the Canton Police Department, so I think I knew him from that, just being around.

178 34:49

MR. LALLY: Fair to say you knew him sort of through your brothers, either Brian or Kevin or both?

179 34:52

MR. ALBERT: Yeah, that’s the only way I met him.

180 34:55

MR. LALLY: And about how long after you arrived was it that they arrived?

181 35:01

MR. ALBERT: Probably within like 35 minutes, roughly.

182 35:09

MR. LALLY: And what, if anything, did you know about sort of where they had been prior to or what they had been doing earlier that day?

183 35:14

MR. ALBERT: So they were in New York at a police officer’s funeral. They went there for the ceremony. And the snowstorm was coming, so they decided that they were going to drive back early to beat the storm.

184 35:27

MR. LALLY: Now, you mentioned -- well, as far as going out on that particular evening, what was that in reference to?

185 35:36

MR. ALBERT: So my nephew, Brian, it was his birthday.

186 35:42

MR. LALLY: So when you say your nephew, Brian, whose son is that?

187 35:45

MR. ALBERT: So that’s my older brother Brian’s son, Bernie.

188 35:47

MR. LALLY: So Brian, Jr.?

189 35:49

MR. ALBERT: Brian, Jr., yeah. Call him Brian, Jr.

190 35:51

MR. LALLY: And was he present at the Waterfall that night?

191 35:54

MR. ALBERT: He wasn’t, no. He decided that he didn’t want to go out.

192 35:58

MR. LALLY: And when your brother, your older brother, Brian, and Mr. Higgins come in, where is it that they go sort of in relation to the group?

193 36:08

MR. ALBERT: So they walk in and they come directly over to the table.

194 36:14

MR. LALLY: Now, at some point later in the evening who, if anyone else, also joins your group or your table?

195 36:21

MR. ALBERT: So John O’ Keefe came with Karen Read.

196 36:26

MR. LALLY: And how did you know Karen Read at that time?

197 36:30

MR. ALBERT: I met her a couple of times. She also had been in the pizza shop a couple times, and driving by the street when I would come home she would be outside One Meadows.

198 36:40

MR. LALLY: And, just to be clear, when we’re speaking about Ms. Read, do you see her in the courtroom today?

199 36:44

MR. ALBERT: Yes, I do.

200 36:45

MR. LALLY: Could you just identify as to where she’s seated or an article --

201 36:47

MR. ALBERT: She’s sitting right over there between the two attorneys.

202 36:50

MR. LALLY: Just ask the record reflect identification of the defendant, Your Honor.

203 36:52
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BY MR. LALLY:

205 36:54

MR. LALLY: Now, prior to Mr. O’Keefe coming into the Waterfall, you had mentioned some text communications with him; is that correct?

206 37:01
207 37:01

MR. LALLY: And what, if any other, communications did you have with Mr. O’Keefe before he got there?

208 37:06

MR. ALBERT: I don’t think nothing -- before I got to the Waterfall?

209 37:12

MR. LALLY: Not before you got to the Waterfall. Before Mr. O’Keefe got to the Waterfall.

210 37:15

MR. ALBERT: With Mr. O’ Keefe?

211 37:17

MR. LALLY: Yes.

212 37:18

MR. ALBERT: Just that where we’ll see you or where were we going, where was he going to be.

213 37:22

MR. LALLY: What, if any, communication do you recall in regard to who was there or who was going to be there?

214 37:27

MR. ALBERT: With Mr. O’ Keefe?

215 37:31

MR. LALLY: Yes.

216 37:31

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. So I think at some point he said, who’s there. I said, my brother, Brian. I said, Brian. He said, your brother, Brian? I said, yeah, Brian and Brian Higgins are there. And he said, Where’s your brother, Kevin? And I said, I have no clue, lol, or something.

217 37:52

MR. LALLY: And, when Mr. O’Keefe and Ms. Read come into the bar, where is it that they go upon coming in?

218 37:59

MR. ALBERT: They walked directly in, came towards our table, just striked up conversation. I think John came over to my wife and said hello to her first maybe, then just kind of got with the group, started talking.

219 38:23

MR. LALLY: Now, fair to say Mr. O’Keefe knew your wife, Julie, as well?

220 38:27
221 38:28

MR. LALLY: And how would you describe their relationship as far as you knew?

222 38:31

MR. ALBERT: Good relationship.

223 38:34

MR. LALLY: And when they come -- when Mr. O’Keefe and the defendant come over to the area where you and your wife is, what, if anything, did you observe the defendant to do?

224 38:48

MR. ALBERT: Well, when they came over, I think they started talking. At one point when they first came over, the defendant came in with a glass underneath her jacket, and I thought that was kind of funny. I laughed about it and made a comment about it.

225 39:03

MR. LALLY: And what, if anything, did you notice sort of about the glass? What was in the glass, anything like that?

226 39:09

MR. ALBERT: It was just a tall, like, cylinder glass with some clear liquid in it and a lime.

227 39:13

MR. LALLY: And that was under her coat when she came in?

228 39:18

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. It was like she pulled it out.

229 39:33

MR. LALLY: Now, if you know, about what time was it that Mr. O’Keefe and Ms. Read came in?

230 39:38

MR. ALBERT: So I got there close to 10:00. I would say 10:45-ish, to the best of my recollection.

231 39:51

MR. LALLY: And following sort of the hellos and all that kind of stuff as far as after they first came in, where did they go from there?

232 40:00

MR. ALBERT: I think the defendant sat down and I think -- well, John went to the bar and got a beer.

233 40:08

MR. LALLY: And do you know is that sort of what John would typically drink?

234 40:13

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. Bud Light, I think.

235 40:17

MR. LALLY: And you mentioned that the defendant sat down. Where did she sit down in relation to you and your wife?

236 40:24

MR. ALBERT: I think right next to my wife.

237 40:28

MR. LALLY: Now, with regard to just the -- how would you describe sort of the general sort of tone or demeanor within the group at the Waterfall that night?

238 40:37

MR. ALBERT: It was fine. Everyone was just having a good time.

239 40:39

MR. LALLY: So no arguments, anything like that?

240 40:41

MR. ALBERT: No, not at all.

241 40:43

MR. LALLY: And, specifically between Mr. O’Keefe and the defendant, what, if anything, did you observe between them?

242 40:49

MR. ALBERT: I didn’t notice anything abnormal.

243 40:53

MR. LALLY: Now, if you recall, what was Mr. O’ Keefe wearing on that evening?

244 40:58

MR. ALBERT: Blue jeans, baseball hat, and kind of like a pullover, light sweatshirt-type of grayish garment. I don’t know what you would call it. It wasn’t like a hoodie and it wasn’t -- it was like a long-sleeve shirt.

245 41:14

MR. LALLY: And is that what he was wearing when he walked in?

246 41:16
247 41:16

MR. LALLY: And at any point in time did you see him with like a jacket or anything like that?

248 41:21
249 41:24

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as your observations of Mr. O’ Keefe, what, if anything, did you observe about that clothing, as far as any tears of any dishevelment of it at all?

250 41:33

MR. ALBERT: No, I didn’t notice anything. It looked fine to me.

251 41:36

MR. LALLY: And, as far as Mr. O’Keefe, his person, himself, what, if anything, did you observe as far as any injuries or anything like that when you saw him?

252 41:41

MR. ALBERT: Didn’t she anything. Looked normal.

253 41:45

MR. LALLY: Now, after Mr. O’Keefe went to the bar and got a beer, do you know where he went from there?

254 41:50

MR. ALBERT: Just came back over to the table, started chatting people up.

255 41:53

MR. LALLY: And, when you say “the table,” was that sort of your area or was there a different area that he went to?

256 41:58

MR. ALBERT: No, the same table, the same high-top. Some people were sitting; some people standing.

257 42:03

MR. LALLY: And, as far as sort of this length you described, about six feet or so, of that table, if you recall, sort of where were people situated around the table?

258 42:13

MR. ALBERT: I mean, I was sitting at one point because I was eating. So I was sitting in one seat. My wife was Sitting in another seat. Matt and Jen were sitting in another seat. I recall John standing a lot. I don’t think he sat at all. I think Karen was sitting at one point, probably got situated maybe across from my wife or next to my wife.

259 42:35

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as Mr. O’Keefe was concerned, do you recall anything specific that you discussed or talked about while you were there that night?

260 42:43

MR. ALBERT: No, nothing in particular.

261 42:45

MR. LALLY: And throughout sort of the course of the time that you were there, what, if any, discussion was there as to going someplace or wanting to go someplace after the Waterfall?

262 42:57

MR. ALBERT: So we have this like little ritual that when one of my nieces or nephews turn 21 we go back to the pizza shop, you know, after hours and turn on the oven and make pizzas and stuff, and there was talk about going back there. Ms. Read asked if we could go back and make pizzas up in my pizza shop a couple of times. Then there was talk about maybe after -- someone mentioned going back to my brother’s house after.

263 43:28

MR. LALLY: And, just to be clear, your brother’s house, which brother?

264 43:31

MR. ALBERT: My brother, Brian.

265 43:32

MR. LALLY: And where does your brother Brian live at that point?

266 43:35

MR. ALBERT: 34 Fairview.

267 43:35

MR. LALLY: And are you familiar with that address?

268 43:38

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. I used to live there. I grew up there.

269 43:40

MR. LALLY: So prior to it being your brother Brian’s house, was that your parents’ house?

270 43:43

MR. ALBERT: My parents’ house, yeah.

271 43:44

MR. LALLY: So that’s where you and your siblings essentially grew up from the time that you moved to Canton?

272 43:48
273 43:49

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as going over to your pizza shop to make pizzas, things like that, is that something that the defendant talked about once or more than once?

274 43:59

MR. ALBERT: A few times.

275 44:01

MR. LALLY: And you referenced sort of this ritual when one of your nieces or nephews turned 21. And it was your nephew Brian, Jr.’s birthday the following day; is that correct?

276 44:11

MR. ALBERT: Yeah.

277 44:11

MR. LALLY: Was he turning 21 at that point?

278 44:13

MR. ALBERT: I think so. I can’t remember exactly if he’s 20 or 21. I think he was turning 21.

279 44:20

MR. LALLY: So in relation to this evening of January 28th, that sort of ritual that you were talking about, when was the last time before January 28th that you had done that, if you know?

280 44:38

MR. ALBERT: I’m trying to see who else turned 21. I can’t remember exactly. I know it’s recent. I remember doing it. I just can’t remember the date.

281 44:47

MR. LALLY: And that’s all I’m really asking. So was it recent to January 28th?

282 44:51

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. It was sometime before that. Within like a couple of months I think someone turned 21. Maybe we just went there.

283 44:58

MR. LALLY: And, so, what, if any, conversation from your end as far as -- obviously, it’s your pizza shop. So what, if any, conversation from your end was there in reference to doing that?

284 45:07

MR. ALBERT: To doing that that night? So we were doing a weight loss competition, me, Matt McCabe, and my brother Brian. And we had like two more weeks left in it. We do it every year. It’s like a charity. We do it and the proceeds go to like scholarship funds. So I said no because I didn’t -- we were doing this weight loss challenge and I just didn’t want to give in and, you know, eat pizza two weeks before we went in it.

285 45:37

MR. LALLY: And your wife, Julie, how long was she at the bar for?

286 45:43

MR. ALBERT: Not long when I got there. She probably was only there for maybe 35-40 minutes. She hada migraine. She wanted to go home, so she left.

287 45:55

MR. LALLY: So she indicated she had a migraine and she was going home?

288 45:57

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. She didn’t feel well.

289 46:00

MR. LALLY: Okay. And was that before or after Mr. O’Keefe and Ms. Read arrived?

290 46:04

MR. ALBERT: She left after they arrived. So then she must have been -- she must have left later than that, yeah.

291 46:10

MR. LALLY: Now, later on in the evening what, if anything, did you buy for the group?

292 46:22

MR. ALBERT: So at one point towards the end of the night I bought a round of Fireball shots for the group.

293 46:28

MR. LALLY: And who partook in that, if you know?

294 46:35

MR. ALBERT: I don’t remember exactly. Probably half of the people there took them. I don’t remember everyone. I wasn’t paying attention.

295 46:45

MR. LALLY: And when you say it’s sort of towards the end of the night, when was it that things sort of wrapped up at the Waterfall?

296 46:51

MR. ALBERT: I think they call last call right before 12:00. Pretty much right before 12:00 it all started wrapping up.

297 46:57

MR. LALLY: And, as far as the group that you were with at the high-top table, who, if anyone, from that group left first?

298 47:04

MR. ALBERT: So my wife left first. Obviously, she didn’t feel well. She left earlier. Then Brian and Brian left. My sister-in-law left. Matt and Jen left. I left probably second to last. I probably left last with John and Karen or right around the time that John and Karen left.

299 47:27

MR. LALLY: And do you recall as far as you’re leaving around the same time, do you recall walking out together or seeing them outside, or where is it that you recall sort of you leaving at the same time?

300 47:38

MR. ALBERT: My best recollection is I walked out roughly the same time. And I walked out the building and I come up Washington to the right, and they was either shortly after or shortly before me and they walk up to the left.

301 47:53

MR. LALLY: And, when you say walk up Washington, did you walk home that night?

302 47:56

MR. ALBERT: Yeah, I walked home.

303 47:58

MR. LALLY: And, when you came out of the bar, what, if anything, did you notice sort of about the weather or what was going on at that point?

304 48:03

MR. ALBERT: It just started snowing. It was cold out and it just started snowing. The ground had like a light coat.

305 48:10

MR. LALLY: Could you still sort of see the street or the blacktop?

306 48:14

MR. ALBERT: Oh, yeah. Yeah, you could still see it.

307 48:15

MR. LALLY: And you mentioned you walked out towards Washington and Mr. O’Keefe and Ms. Read did as well?

308 48:20
309 48:21

MR. LALLY: And which direction? Did you go in the same direction, different direction?

310 48:25

MR. ALBERT: So when you come out, you come out the building, you have to go to the left in order to get onto Washington. So I come out to the left and then go to the right onto Washington and they would go to the left on Washington.

311 48:40

MR. LALLY: So you’re sort of walking opposite --

312 48:45

MR. ALBERT: Opposite directions.

313 48:47

MR. LALLY: -- on Washington?

314 48:49
315 48:51

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as throughout sort of the course of the evening did you have occasion to see sort of what Mr. O’Keefe -- you mentioned that he went to the bar and he got a beer. Was that the only beer that you saw him having or did he have more than one?

316 49:05

MR. ALBERT: I’m sure he had more than one. Yeah, I Saw him with more than one.

317 49:08

MR. LALLY: So you saw him -- but essentially what I’m asking is, throughout the course of the evening when you saw him drinking, other than maybe the Fireball shot, you saw him just drinking beer?

318 49:16

MR. ALBERT: Just beer.

319 49:17

MR. LALLY: And, as far as Ms. Read was concerned, what, if anything, did you observe her drinking throughout the course of the evening?

320 49:22

MR. ALBERT: Just a clear liquid ina glass. I assume it was some sort of vodka drink.

321 49:28

MR. LALLY: And was that the same glass that she had come into the establishment with under her coat or was ita different glass later on?

322 49:35

MR. ALBERT: I believe it was the same one.

323 49:41

MR. LALLY: So you leave from the Waterfall and you’re walking home; is that right?

324 49:45

MR. ALBERT: Correct.

325 49:45

MR. LALLY: So fair to say you didn’t go to 34 Fairview that night?

326 49:48

MR. ALBERT: I did not.

327 49:49

MR. LALLY: And about what time was it that you got home?

328 49:54

MR. ALBERT: Sometime between, I’d say, five past and 10 past 12:00, somewhere in the window.

329 50:04

MR. LALLY: And was your wife home at that point?

330 50:05

MR. ALBERT: She was.

331 50:06

MR. LALLY: And, as far as your children were concerned, about how many of your three sons were living with you at that time?

332 50:12

MR. ALBERT: At that time, two, my 16-year-old -- well, he wasn’t 16 years old at the time -- but my 16-year-old and my 20-year-old.

333 50:20

MR. LALLY: So 16 and 20 now; is that correct?

334 50:24

MR. ALBERT: Sixteen and twenty now. So they’d be like 14 and 18 then, I guess.

335 50:28

MR. LALLY: And, so, your oldest son --

336 50:29

MR. ALBERT: He was in San Diego in the Navy.

337 50:32

MR. LALLY: And, if you know -- or did you check on anything as far as your kids when you got home? Were they there, if you know?

338 50:39

MR. ALBERT: I ran right upstairs. I was freezing. I went right into my room.

339 50:45

MR. LALLY: Essentially, you went to bed; is that correct?

340 50:46

MR. ALBERT: Correct.

341 50:49

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, with the Court’s permission, I would ask to publish for the jury just a small portion from what’s been marked as Exhibit 53, the Waterfall surveillance.

342 51:01
343 51:05

MR. LALLY: Mr. Gilman, if I could have from Channel 3 the second video down, and if you could just pause there for a moment, Ms. Gilman?

344

(Whereupon, the video was played and paused.)

345

BY MR. LALLY:

346 51:21

MR. LALLY: Mr. Albert, looking up at the screen, do you recognize what I’m showing you, what’s depicted up on the screen?

347 51:27

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. So those are the tables that I was speaking of that there’s like two or three in a row.

348 51:43

MR. LALLY: May I approach, Your Honor?

349 51:48
350

BY MR. LALLY:

351 51:48

MR. LALLY: So, Sir, what I’m handing to you is a laser pointer. Basically, just click that button and point it at the screen. Okay? Mr. Albert, using that laser pointer that I just handed to you, if you could direct the jury’s attention to about where the high-top is and then about where you were seated at that high-top?

352 52:06

MR. ALBERT: So there’s the high-top. I can’t really see myself, to be honest with you, this far away. It’s somewhere around -- I think I ate on this side here.

353 52:19

MR. LALLY: And, as far as the bar is concerned, where would that be, sir?

354 52:21

MR. ALBERT: Back here. Wait. Oh, so this is from walking into the Waterfall. Okay. So the bar is after. So that’s the high-top next to the bar. The bar is back there.

355 52:34

MR. LALLY: And, as far as the band that you were talking about that was playing, would you direct the jury’s attention to where that was?

356 52:40

MR. ALBERT: On this side over here. It’s kind of fuzzy, but that side.

357 52:46

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if I could ask you to fast forward to 10:54, and I would ask if you could play that from 10:54 to about 10:56?

358

(Whereupon, the video was played.)

359 53:15

MR. LALLY: I’m sorry. If you could just pause briefly, Ms. Gilman?

360

(Whereupon, the video was paused.)

361

BY MR. LALLY:

362 53:28

MR. LALLY: Now, Mr. Albert, looking up at the screen, as far as the door that you came out, the door that you eventually exited from the Waterfall, do you see sort of that general area where that is in the video?

363 53:38

MR. ALBERT: No, because I think it’s off line here. I think it would be over here.

364 53:42

MR. LALLY: So it would be off sort of towards the left; is that correct?

365 53:45

MR. ALBERT: Yeah, down this way (Indicating).

366 53:50

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could press play?

367

(Whereupon, the video was played.)

368 53:57

MR. LALLY: Pause it, please.

369

(Whereupon, the video was paused.)

370

BY MR. LALLY:

371 54:01

MR. LALLY: As far as the two individuals sort of walking in, do you recognize who those individuals are?

372 54:07

MR. ALBERT: I do. That’s John O’Keefe and Ms. Read.

373 54:13

MR. LALLY: And, again, Ms. Gilman, if you could just run it to 10:56?

374

(Whereupon, the video was played.)

375 55:15

MR. LALLY: Thank you, Ms. Gilman. You can take that down, please.

376

BY MR. LALLY:

377 56:03

MR. LALLY: Now, Mr. Albert, as far as your son Colin, do you know sort of where he was that night?

378 56:07

MR. ALBERT: Yes. So he was at my brother Brian’s house for my nephew’s birthday.

379 56:15

MR. LALLY: And he came home sometime after you; is that correct?

380 56:20

MR. ALBERT: Correct.

381 56:21

MR. LALLY: And, essentially, you came in and went to bed. So do you know what time your son came home that --

382 56:27

MR. YANNETTI: Objection.

383 56:28

JUDGE CANNONE: Do you know? Just answer yes or no, nothing else.

384 56:32
385

BY MR. LALLY:

386 56:33

MR. LALLY: And how do you know that, sir?

387 56:35

MR. ALBERT: Because he opened our bedroom door and said goodnight, guys. I love you. I’m home.

388 56:39

MR. LALLY: And about how long after you got home was it that you son got home?

389 56:44

MR. ALBERT: I’d say within 10 minutes.

390 56:46

MR. LALLY: And, as far as sort of coming into your room, is that something that was required of your kids when they came home?

391 56:51

MR. ALBERT: He would always do that, yeah. It was just to let us know that they were home.

392 56:56

MR. LALLY: Now, turning your attention to the next day on the 29th, about -- obviously, at some point you woke up. Do you recall about what time that was?

393 57:10

MR. ALBERT: 8:00-ish. 8:30-ish.

394 57:14

MR. LALLY: So sometime between 8:00 and 8:30?

395 57:16

MR. ALBERT: Yeah. I was still in bed. I woke up, but I didn’t leave my room.

396 57:21

MR. LALLY: And what was it that or who was it that woke you up that morning?

397 57:27

MR. ALBERT: At that time I just woke up on my own.

398 57:31

MR. LALLY: And when you woke up, what happened after you woke up?

399 57:36

MR. ALBERT: Shortly after I woke up my entered the room, but that was a little bit later. I don’t know exactly what time. She informed me that something had happened to John.

400 57:49

MR. LALLY: And what was it that she told you?

401 57:54

MR. ALBERT: I don’t know the exact words that she said, but basically that John had died.

402 58:05

MR. LALLY: And what, if anything, did she indicate to you as to where John had died?

403 58:10

MR. ALBERT: That he was found somewhere on the front lawn of 34 Fairview.

404 58:19

MR. LALLY: And following receiving that information where did you go or where did you and your wife go?

405 58:29

MR. ALBERT: I was in shock. I was like what are you talking about, like what do you mean. Then I jumped up and she’s like let’s -- we have to go over -- let’s go over to your brother’s house.

406 58:41

MR. LALLY: And about what time was it, if you know, that you got over to your brother’s house?

407 58:53

MR. ALBERT: Sometime approximately like after 9:00 o’clock. I don’t remember exactly what time we went over there. Maybe 9:00 or 9:30.

408 59:00

MR. LALLY: And, when you arrived at your brother’s house, who, if anyone, was there?

409 59:05

MR. ALBERT: To the best of my recollection, excuse me, from what I remember, I was there, my wife was there, my brother Brian, Nicole. Brian Higgins was there. I believe Matt McCabe was there and Jen McCabe was there.

410 59:24

MR. LALLY: When you came into the home, sir, where were they in relation --

411 59:27

MR. ALBERT: Just sitting at the kitchen table.

412 59:31

MR. LALLY: And, if you know, about how long did you stay at your brother’s house when you came over?

413 59:39

MR. ALBERT: Maybe an hour.

414 59:41

MR. LALLY: And where did you go from there?

415 59:44

MR. ALBERT: Afterwards, just home.

416 59:47

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as -- subsequent to this, at some point within the days that followed did you have occasion to speak with some troopers or members of the state police?

417 59:59

MR. ALBERT: Yes, I did.

418 59:59

MR. LALLY: Okay. And how many troopers from the state police did you talk to when you spoke with them?

419 1:00:04
420 1:00:04

MR. LALLY: And where was that?

421 1:00:06

MR. ALBERT: At my condo.

422 1:00:06

MR. LALLY: Thank you, sir. I have no further questions, Your Honor.

423 1:00:14

JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. Cross-examination.

424 1:00:16

MR. YANNETTI: Thank you, Your Honor.

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