Commonwealth v. Read — Trial ArchiveKatie McLaughlin — Direct (Part 1)
260 linesWhereupon, KATIE MC LAUGHLIN having been first duly sworn, was examined and testified under oath as follows:
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. Whenever you're ready, Mr. Lally.
MR. LALLY: Thank you, Your Honor.
DIRECT EXAMINATION BY MR. LALLY:
MR. LALLY: Good afternoon. Could you please state your name and spell your last name for the jury?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Katie McLaughlin, M-C-L-A-U-G-H-L-I-N.
MR. LALLY: And what do you do for work, ma'am?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I'm a firefighter/paramedic for the town of Canton.
MR. LALLY: And how long have you been a firefighter/paramedic for the town of Canton?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Probably about seven years.
MR. LALLY: Prior to working for the Canton Fire Department, what, if any, other work did you do sort of within that general field?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I worked as a EMT basic for Brewster Ambulance, went to paramedic school. I eventually became a paramedic for Brewster Ambulance and worked there for a few years before getting on the fire department.
MR. LALLY: And just briefly, but prior to becoming a paramedic or working as a paramedic, what, if any, sort of training did you receive in regard or certification did you receive in regard to being a paramedic?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So it's two years schooling where you have about a year didactic. There is a lecture portion for about a year, and then after that, there is about a year to a year and a half of clinical training that's done in an ER and then done in an ambulance. So that whole period is around two years.
MR. LALLY: And, prior to working at the Canton Fire Department, you received a certification from the state or some other source as being a paramedic, correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes. It's through the state and through a national registry.
MR. LALLY: And both those certifications through the state and the national registry, are those granted sort of forever, or is there like a continuing educational component and a recertification process?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So you recertify every two years. You have to take continuing education classes in that two-year period. And that's just on a two-year cycle you recertify.
MR. LALLY: And your certification is up to date at this point; is that correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Now, ma'am, if I could turn your attention to the dates of January 28th, 2022 into January 29th, 2022. Do you recall those dates?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And were you working with the Canton Fire Department on those dates?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And do you recall what kind of shift you were working from the 28th to the 29th?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: It was just my regular 24-hour shift.
MR. LALLY: And a 24-hour shift at Canton Fire is essentially 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 a.m.; is that correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And where were you sort of assigned within the town of Canton Fire Department on that day?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So I was on the engine for that shift. So I was the third person on the engine. There's an engine driver. There is an officer and then there is a third person who is in the back.
MR. LALLY: And so your sort of role with respect to the engine, is there sort of like a name for that position?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Some people call it like the back step.
MR. LALLY: And which station house were you assigned to on that Engine 3 that day?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: The Station 1, which is 99 Revere Street.
MR. LALLY: And, in addition to yourself, who, if anyone else, was assigned to the other sort of two roles on the engine that day?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Brink. Brink Walsh was the engine driver that day, and Greg Woodbury was the lieutenant on the engine that day.
MR. LALLY: Now, turning your attention to that morning of the 29th, do you recall about what time you got up or what time you went outside that day?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I think we were up maybe a little before six because it was snowing and we had to like shovel the front apron. So we were up at maybe five, 5:00 a.m.
MR. LALLY: And so when you were up around that time around 5:00 a.m. and outside, you were outside, shoveling; is that correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes, intermittently.
MR. LALLY: I'm sorry?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Intermittently.
MR. LALLY: Okay. So during the times that you were outside, shoveling, what, if anything, did you observe as far as the weather or the conditions at that point?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: It was snowing pretty heavily. It had been snowing. We were shoveling and it was pretty cold and windy.
MR. LALLY: And, if you know, around that time that you initially sort of went out and were shoveling, about how much snow had accumulated at that point, if you know?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I don't know how much. Enough for us to shovel that front apron, but I don't know how much.
MR. LALLY: Now, sometime shortly after 6:00 a.m., were you and other members of your department dispatched to a call?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And where were you dispatched to and what was that dispatch in regard to?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So the call came in as a man down in the snow or a man unresponsive in the snow. And the call was for 34 Fairview Road.
MR. LALLY: About how long was it from the time that you sort of received that dispatch and go sort of on the engine to that residence on Fairview Road?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: How long?
MR. LALLY: Yes.
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: We are on the truck and going within probably a few minutes, at most.
MR. LALLY: So in addition to yourself and firefighter Walsh and Lieutenant Woodbury, what, if any, other sort of apparatus from your station was dispatched to this call, as well?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: The ambulance was dispatched, as well. And I believe the command car, Car 5, also was dispatched to the call.
MR. LALLY: As far as Car 5, if you recall, who was in Car 5?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: At the time, Captain Robery.
MR. LALLY: And, with respect to the ambulance, if you know, who, if anyone, was assigned to the ambulance and went with the ambulance that day?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Firefighter Kelly and Firefighter Flematti were on that ambulance. And I believe Tim Nuttall was also there. He came in early. So he jumped on the ambulance, as well.
MR. LALLY: And, with respect to when you get to Fairview Road, do you recall what sort of order the vehicles were inas far as Car 5, the ambulance and the fire engine?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I think Car 5 was maybe first, and then the ambulance was in front of us. And then we pulled up behind the ambulance.
MR. LALLY: And so when you sort of arrive on scene and pull up behind the ambulance, other than vehicles from your department, what, if any, other sort of vehicles did you observe or see on scene that day?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I noticed there were multiple police vehicles and at least one civilian vehicle.
MR. LALLY: Now, obviously, you're responding to a report of an unresponsive male party, correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And, when you're sort of first arriving on scene or just in reference to when you arrived on scene, when was the first time that you were able to see that unresponsive party?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So when I got out of the engine, I went right back to the ambulance to get the stretcher because I knew that from wherever they were, they seemed to be kind of in, off of the road. So I went and got the stretcher with Firefighter Walsh, I believe. And then we brought the stretcher as close as we could to the patient. And that was like parallel to the curb. And that would be the first time that I observed them working on a patient.
MR. LALLY: And so if I could just ask you with regard to sort of those duties as the back step person, what is sort of the duties and responsibilities of the back step person on the engine to this kind of medical call?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So the role of the person in the back of the engine is -- it kind of is dependent upon what that lead paramedic needs you to do. You're there to assist the ambulance in any way that they need. So that could be assisting with extrication of a patient. It could be obtaining information of a patient or bystanders. It could be assisting with patient care, if they need you in the back of the ambulance. It really depends on what they need you to do for that particular call.
MR. LALLY: Turning back to your testimony just froma moment ago, you said they were over rendering sort of patient care; is that correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: What do you mean by that?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I noted Tim. I noted Tony. And there were a lot of people that seemed to be around that area. So I'm not sure exactly who else was there, but I did note Tony and Tim were in that area.
MR. LALLY: So as far as sort of the other people in that area where Tony and Tim where, so people sort of beyond the people from your department, what if any other sort of people did you notice around that area?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I don't know specifically. What do you mean? Like outside of the --
MR. LALLY: As far as who were they? Right. So outside of fire department personnel in that area, what, if any, observations did you make of those people? Who were those people, if you know?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Well, at that point, I couldn't really make out like the identities of like other people. I noted Tim and Tony, but I didn't really pick up on who anyone else was at that point. They were still like in, off of the road at that point.
MR. LALLY: And so from where they are positioned with regard to the patient -- and, just for clarity purposes, you subsequently learned the identity of the patient, correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And who did you learn him to be?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: John O'Keefe.
MR. LALLY: And where you and Firefighter Walsh were with the stretcher, how far away from where you were was Mr. O'Keefe and the other firefighters?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: They were -- I don't know that I could give a number. Several feet away. They were like -- I remember kind of seeing a fire hydrant, but I don't know exactly number-wise what that would be.
MR. LALLY: And, from your observation from where Mr. O'Keefe was, could you tell how his body was positioned?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: He was supine. So he was lying on his back or face up.
MR. LALLY: And what, if anything -- by the time that you arrived with firefighter Walsh and the stretcher, what, if anything, could you see that Firefighters Flematti and/or Nuttall or anyone else was doing with reference to Mr. O'Keefe?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: By that point, it seemed like they had already got him pretty much secured on a backboard and they were ready to move him to the stretcher.
MR. LALLY: And, once Mr. O'Keefe is then moved with the backboard from where he was to the stretcher where you are, what happened then?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So I remember Tony was kind of at the head of the stretcher. I was standing on the side. There was as woman next to me and Tony said to me, can you try to figure out what happened? And he kind of motioned to this woman that was next to me.
MR. LALLY: So Firefighter Flematti, who is the lead paramedic, directs you to ask some questions of this female, correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And fair to say this woman that was next to you, you didn't know her; you'd never met her before?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: No.
MR. LALLY: Okay. From your conversations with her that day, do you see that woman in the courtroom today?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Okay. Could you just direct as to where she is seated or an article of clothing she's wearing?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: (Witness indicating).
MR. LALLY: Thank you. I'd just ask the record reflect identification of the defendant by the witness, Your Honor.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
BY MR. LALLY:
MR. LALLY: Now, with respect to this woman, she is standing next to you when you're at the side of the stretcher, correct?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And what, if any, observations did you sort of initially make as far as her demeanor or how was she sort of acting when you first started to engage her.
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: She seemed very upset. Very upset.
MR. LALLY: And, when you say "she seemed very upset," what about her did you observe that makes you say that?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Just her facial expressions. She was just visibly distraught.
MR. LALLY: So as far as your questions, what type of questions are you asking or what type of information are you looking for from this person?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So just basic demographic info, who the patient is, his name, his date of birth. And then, as far as any more questioning, you're trying to gather information that would basically help explain how this person ended up in the scenario that they are in. So did he have any medical problems? Does he take any medications daily? Does he have any allergies to medications. So I was asking those questions.
MR. LALLY: And, as you were asking those questions, what, if anything, is the defendant, Ms. Read, doing while you're asking her those questions?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: She answered who the patient was, his birthday. I think she answered maybe some of those initial medical questions that I asked. But, as I said, she was very distraught. She was kind of moving around the scene a little bit. So I was like just kind of following her. And then we came to a stop at one point, and I continued to ask or asked one more question.
MR. LALLY: What was that one more question you asked?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So at that point, I asked her if there had been any significant trauma that happened before this.
MR. LALLY: And what, if anything, did she say?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So she said, I hit him. She repeated it. There was a woman standing across from her who I believe at that point said, you're hysterical. You need to calm down. You're hysterical. She repeated, I hit him. And there was a police officer who was in that vicinity kind of with us who replied, you what? She repeated it one more time, and that officer then signaled to somebody, get Goode down here, which I'm assuming would be the sergeant.
MR. LALLY: So when you have this conversation, if you recall, you mentioned that the other person who was across from you was just -- was that somebody from your department or an officer or civilian or who was that?
MR. LALLY: So it was -- I was standing. Karen Read was to my right. There was another woman to the left of me, kind of across from her. And then there was a police officer kind of not directly across from me but within like -- within the same kind of area that was more closer to Karen, I would say.
MR. LALLY: And do you know who that officer was?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I don't.
MR. LALLY: Do you know who the female or the civilian person who was across from you, do you know what that person's name is?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: No.
MR. LALLY: With respect to when Ms. Read said this repeatedly, I hit him, can you describe for the jury sort of the tonality of that? Like how did she say it?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: She seemed -- she was very upset. She seemed hysterical. I would even say just very upset.
MR. LALLY: Now, once you received that information, did you follow up with any other questions to Ms. Read at that point?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: At that point, I did not. I have to drive the ambulance. So it's a time sensitive situation. So I knew I had to drive the ambulance. It was said in the presence of the police officer. So I felt like that was the appropriate -- that information was appropriately transferred, and I just felt -- based on her demeanor, I don't think it would have been productive for me to continue to ask her questions at that point.
MR. LALLY: So after asking and receiving that answer of "T hit him," where did you go from there?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So I went to the ambulance.
MR. LALLY: And, in reference to the ambulance, did you go to the back of the ambulance, the front of the ambulance? Where did you go in the ambulance?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: So I went into the back of the ambulance, where the patient care was happening.
MR. LALLY: And, as far as the information that you had received from the defendant, did you relay that information to any of the other firefighters from your department in the back of the ambulance?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I did.
MR. LALLY: And do you recall who was there in the back of the ambulance when you relayed that?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Tony was there, Tim, I think maybe Firefighter Kelly. Firefighter Walsh maybe might have been in there at that point.
MR. LALLY: Now, as far as when you get to the back of the ambulance, what, if anything, did you do with reference to assist or help as far as patient care with regard to Mr. O'Keefe?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I didn't assist or partake in any patient care.
MR. LALLY: Now, prior to putting Mr. O'Keefe into the back of the ambulance and prior to your conversation with the defendant, what, if any, observations had you made during the brief time that you were on the side of the stretcher of Mr. O'Keefe and any injuries you observed?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I noted he had injuries to his face. I noticed some blood from his nose, from his mouth and most notably he had some swelling to his eyes, mostly the right eye, and a laceration above the right eye.
MR. LALLY: And same as far as when you went to the back of the ambulance to relay the information that you had been asked to obtain, what, if any, injuries did you observe of Mr. O'Keefe once he was in the back of the ambulance?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Oh, I'm sorry. I observed those injuries in the back of the ambulance. I didn't observe those injuries while he was out on the stretcher. I didn't get a good look at him.
MR. LALLY: Okay. So you really hadn't got a good look until he was in the back of the ambulance?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Right. Right.
MR. LALLY: Now, as far as you indicated you drove the ambulance from Fairview, where did you go to?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Good Samaritan Hospital.
MR. LALLY: And, as you were driving that ambulance along the roads from Canton to Brockton, what, if anything, did you note as far as visibility, road conditions, things like that?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: There was poor visibility. The roads weren't plowed yet. So it was -- it took probably longer than usual based on the conditions.
MR. LALLY: And I apologize, but if I can take you just a step back further for a moment just in reference to when you're in the back of the ambulance. You indicated the injuries that you observed. What, if any, observations did you make as far as the clothing that Mr. O'Keefe had on?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I noted that he was wearing jeans. I noticed a lighter, like a black zip-up jacket or sweatshirt. It was like a lighter jacket. I noticed that he had one sneaker on, and that was it.
MR. LALLY: Do you recall which foot the sneaker was on?
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: I don't.
JUDGE CANNONE: Could I see counsel for a second?
(Whereupon, there was a sidebar conference as follows:)
JUDGE CANNONE: This is for scheduling purposes again because we have moved courtrooms and it's hard to get, with the other trial going, our jury going. So I want to give them enough time to do this. How much longer do we have? We are breaking for the day, but how much longer do you have with this witness?
MR. LALLY: Not much more.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. And are you doing the cross of this witness tomorrow?
MR. JACKSON: Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE CANNONE: How long do you think your cross is?
JURY: It's not extensive. I would say 20 to 30. Twenty.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. Because I'd rather finish the witness before we do the view rather than interrupt this testimony to go do the view. So I need to coordinate the bus.
MR. JACKSON: Yes. I think I can do it in 20 minutes.
MR. YANNETTI: So we can get going around 10, 10:30, at the latest.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. 10:30. And I think it's about a two-hour view.
MR. LALLY: I don't even think it's that long.
JUDGE CANNONE: I have mundane things to worry about, ordering lunch and things like that.
MR. LALLY: No. I understand. I understand. But, I mean, for me, no. I mean, from Dedham to Canton, on scene probably 10 minutes at the most, 15 minutes. I mean, I don't know why --
JUDGE CANNONE: Then why is it going to be two hours?
MR. LALLY: I'm sorry?
JUDGE CANNONE: Then why is it going to be two hours?
MR. LALLY: I didn't know it was.
JUDGE CANNONE: I was told it's a two-hour view.
MR. LALLY: No.
MR. JACKSON: That's not from us.
MR. YANNETTI: That would be max. I think it's going to be shorter than that.
MR. LALLY: Ten minutes might be a little -- I mean, because the vehicle will be there, as well, which we need to address. But I think we can probably do, max, an hour, hour and a half like on the bus there and back. I think we should be able to do that.
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. JACKSON: I agree.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. Who are your witnesses for tomorrow?
MR. LALLY: So it would be Ms. McLaughlin; Lieutenant Woodbury; Firefighter Daniel Whitley; another firefighter, Jason Becker. And then probably some combination of Lieutenant Gallagher, Sergeant Goode and Sergeant Lank.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
MR. LALLY: Depending on how far we get.
JUDGE CANNONE: Two- or three-minute view openings, right? No longer than that?
MR. LALLY: Oh, no.
MR. JACKSON: If that. We can discuss it later.
JUDGE CANNONE: Are they all set to go now?
COURT OFFICER: Yes.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
(Whereupon, the sidebar conference concluded.)
JUDGE CANNONE: Jurors, we are going to break for the day. We were just trying to figure out some logistical things because we are going to go ona view tomorrow. We are going to finish with the testimony first and we will go on the view after we finish with Firefighter McLaughlin's testimony. But a couple of things about the view. Please dress comfortably. I really appreciate everybody's been dressing respectfully for court, but wear comfortable shoes, at least, for tomorrow. So those three cautions: Please do not discuss this case with anyone. Don't do any independent research or investigation into the case. If you happen to see, hear or read anything about the case, please disregard it and let us know. And, for the view, I will give you some preliminary instructions on that just before you leave. Okay? So we will see you tomorrow. And tomorrow is a full day.
(Whereupon, the jury is escorted from the courtroom and excused for the day.)
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. Firefighter McLaughlin, you can step down. We will see you tomorrow morning.
(Whereupon, the witness is excused.)
JUDGE CANNONE: Did you want to see me at sidebar?
MR. YANNETTI: Just briefly, Judge.
(Whereupon, there was a sidebar conference as follows:)
MR. YANNETTI: I just thought it would be helpful to get some guidance from the Court in terms of what you expect with regard to the view. There would be a brief view opening in the courtroom, a couple of minutes each.
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. YANNETTI: When we get to the site, do you allow counsel to, you know, direct the jurors to look, point out? How much input can counsel have on the view?
JUDGE CANNONE: You can draw their attention to something. You can't tell them why you are drawing their attention.
MR. YANNETTI: Oh, of course not.
JUDGE CANNONE: But you can draw their attention.
MR. YANNETTI: Typically, we start with the prosecutor: I ask you to look at whatever. And then we'll ask if you -- typically, the prosecutor asks the defense counsel, do you want to want to add anything.
MR. YANNETTI: Okay. So we can go back and forth with regard to whatever you point out or -- okay. That's all.
JUDGE CANNONE: And then if there are additional things you want, then you can point them out.
MR. LALLY: And then he can comment?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. YANNETTI: Okay. That makes sense.
COURT CLERK: While we are talking about this, too, the oath indicates one on each side. So just let me know who is going to be the one talking.
MR. YANNETTI: Okay.
MR. JACKSON: Is the jury relegated to off the property or are we going to be able to go on the property, like the property line?
JUDGE CANNONE: I did not arrange this, and I asked you all to talk about it.
MR. JACKSON: Yes.
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Just the public road. There is no private access.
JUDGE CANNONE: I think that's what the motion said.
MR. JACKSON: Okay. That's fine. Thank you, Your Honor.
JUDGE CANNONE: So whoever is talking, I don't care who talks at this point but please speak into the microphone.
MR. LALLY: There's a couple of things I wanted to address, Your Honor: Number one, with respect to the view, I had asked before and I just need clarification so the state police know where to put the vehicle. So my preference would be in the area of the fire hydrant, the flagpole and all that.
JUDGE CANNONE: Is there an objection to that?
JUDGE CANNONE: Whoever speaks has to come in.
MR. JACKSON: There is no particular objection to that. I mean, I guess it depends on where it is. But no. The area of the flagpole, the fire hydrant --
MR. YANNETTI: The only thing I'd be concerned about is I think we are going to be standing by the area by the flagpole on the street and pointing out things. The car might be in the way if it's parked right there. I would ask that it be parked backed up, closer to the driveway if possible. You can face it toward the flagpole if you'd like.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
MR. LALLY: Okay.
MR. YANNETTI: A couple of car lengths.
MR. JACKSON: And all that is consistent with the testimony, as well.
JUDGE CANNONE: So you have a million pictures of this? Why don't you all just pick a picture, put an "X" on it and tell the state police to drop it there.
MR. LALLY: That makes sense.
MR. YANNETTI: I'm fine.
MR. LALLY: Two other things just briefly I wanted to flag for the Court and for counsel. So one of our witnesses is Ms. Teri Kun. She is with the veterinary lab at UC Davis.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
MR. LALLY: There is an issue which I can get into if you want me to, but I'd prefer not to. She has a child that --
JUDGE CANNONE: So she has a personal issue. So you don't need to get into it for these purposes.
MR. LALLY: So has a personal issue. She needs to testify at a certain time period. And it may be significantly out of turn for where I normally would have had her come in. So what I would like to do is essentially fly her in on May 14th, have her testify on May 15th and be done on May 15th. May 15th should be a full day. So that's my intention to get her done.
MR. YANNETTI: We would certainly accommodate witnesses's schedules. We appreciate the fact that you're giving us a head's up in advance about when people are testifying and we will do the same for you.
MR. LALLY: Sure.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. May 15th will be her testimony regardless of where we are?
MR. LALLY: That would be my request, yes.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. And there is no objection?
MR. YANNETTI: No objection.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. Is there something --
MR. LALLY: One last thing, Your Honor, because I had representatives from media approach me about it, indicating with regard to the children and videotaping their testimony. Their indication was that they would abide by whatever the Court orders.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
MR. LALLY: They indicated that there was nothing in the written order regarding that. So my request would be if the Court could supplement or put something in writing in reference to that.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. You are putting on live witnesses and perhaps reference to the SANE interviews when they were even younger?
MR. LALLY: Correct. Yes.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. So what is the Commonwealth asking me? They cannot film the children.
MR. LALLY: Basically, that's what I'm asking, is that there be some sort of supplemental to the Court's order regarding --
JUDGE CANNONE: I planned on doing it. I just didn't know --
MR. LALLY: No, no, no. I'm bringing it up now because I'd rather deal with it now rather than later.
JUDGE CANNONE: Do they have the ability to do voice altering? I've seen that. Are you asking me to do that or are they okay with their voices being --
MR. LALLY: What I would ask is that there be no recording whatsoever other than the Court's recording, obviously.
MR. YANNETTI: No objection.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. I'll issue an order.
MR. LALLY: Thank you.
JUDGE CANNONE: I need also all the compilation videos, the things that you've altered by putting it together or enhancing in any way what you have done with them. I need all of them. Okay.
JUDGE CANNONE: Because our witnesses are surprised, but I have, but I have to make decisions on whether these are coming in. So if you can get me a copy of everything -- you've got your expert here. If you can get a copy of everything for me by tomorrow so I can review it over the weekend and some guidance on what you suggest it is admissible for or what you intend to do with it.
MR. LALLY: Okay.
JUDGE CANNONE: Anything else?
MR. LALLY: Not from the Commonwealth.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay. We'll see you tomorrow.
MR. LALLY: Thank you.
(Whereupon, the Court adjourned.)