Michael Camerano — Direct

MR. LALLY: With this witness, what I intend to do, and I just wanted to check with the Court, as to how you wanted me to do this.

MR. LALLY: So a couple of different exhibits that I intend to introduce through him. The first would be essentially the text or chat long history of John O'Keefe of which he's a participant in at least one of those conversations.

MR. LALLY: So I would be looking to introduce that as an exhibit, as well as the copies -- video. And there is an additional Ring video which is entirely my fault, but it didn't make it onto what's been marked as an exhibit. Essentially, it's No. 148 from our count. It's when he leaves. Mr. Camerano moves his vehicle in the top right of the driveway and Mr. O'Keefe then moves his vehicle over to the top left of the driveway. But it's not on what's marked as Exhibit 5. I have a separate disk with the video on it. I just need to mark it as an exhibit, as well. So my question is do you want me to -- I know you want to see videos and things of that nature. Do you want me to just mark it as an exhibit as I go or do you want me to approach each time --

MR. LALLY: So I'm only playing just a few different portions. I might play different portions of different witnesses. But, for Mr. Camerano's purposes, it's really just a couple- minute clip here, a couple-minute clip there.

MR. LALLY: I understand.

MR. LALLY: Thank you.

MR. LALLY: Good morning, sir.

MR. LALLY: Could you please state your name and spell your last name for the jury?

MR. LALLY: And where do you live, sir?

MR. LALLY: And, sir, if you want, that microphone is adjustable, so you can move it around to whatever it comfortable; okay?

MR. LALLY: And how long have you lived in Canton?

MR. LALLY: And that residence you live at, who, if anyone, do you live there with?

MR. LALLY: And what’s your wife’s name?

MR. LALLY: And how old are your two children?

MR. LALLY: And the 16-year-old, is that a boy or a girl?

MR. LALLY: And your other child, is that a boy or a girl?

MR. LALLY: Now, your wife, how long have the two of you been married?

MR. LALLY: And do you work, sir?

MR. LALLY: What is it that you do for work?

MR. LALLY: And does you wife work as well?

MR. LALLY: And what does she do?

MR. LALLY: And, sir, if I could turn your attention to January 28th, 2022, do you recall that date, sir?

MR. LALLY: And were you working that day?

MR. LALLY: And do you recall what day of the week that was?

MR. LALLY: And following work, what did you do after work?

MR. LALLY: And, during the time that you were home, who, if anyone, did you speak with, either via phone, text?

MR. LALLY: And, with regard to John O’Keefe, how did you know John O’Keefe?

MR. LALLY: And how was it that the two you met?

MR. LALLY: And the mutual friends through whom you met, who are they?

MR. LALLY: And what are their first names?

MR. LALLY: And starting with Curt Roberts, how do you know Curt Roberts?

MR. LALLY: Where did the two you grow up?

MR. LALLY: So you’ve known Curt Roberts most of your life; is that correct?

MR. LALLY: And you mentioned that -- so you have two children. How many children did Mr. O’Keefe have?

MR. LALLY: And those two children, as far as their ages and genders, what were they in relation to your two children?

MR. LALLY: So 16-year-old girl --

MR. LALLY: -- 13-year-old boy. And were each of your two children friends with Mr. O’Keefe’s niece and nephew?

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as friends were concerned, starting with your children and Mr. O’Keefe’s niece and nephew, how close friends were they?

MR. LALLY: And extremely close with John’s niece --

MR. LALLY: -- (c) ?

MR. LALLY: And, with reference to your son and John O’Keefe’s nephew, (c) , what was sort of the nature of their relationship?

MR. LALLY: And, as far as activities, what, if any, sort of activities did your kids do with (c) and (c) ?

MR. LALLY: And John O’Keefe, how would you describe your relationship with John O’Keefe?

MR. LALLY: And your residence versus -- you’re familiar with where Mr. O’Keefe lived; correct?

MR. LALLY: And where did he live?

MR. LALLY: And about how far away is Meadows Ave. from where you live?

MR. LALLY: Now, with regard to the girls, and by that I mean your daughter and John O’Keefe’s niece, (c) , what, if anything, was going on with them on that particular day?

MR. LALLY: Which school was that, sir?

MR. LALLY: Is that a private school?

MR. LALLY: So at the time of this, in January 28th, 2022, what grade was your daughter and (c) (c) in?

MR. LALLY: So this would have been going into ninth grade or high school; is that right?

MR. LALLY: And what, if any, conversation did you have with Mr. O’Keefe in reference to that at some point in the afternoon?

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, may I approach?

MR. LALLY: I’m directing your attention --

MR. LALLY: Oh, I’m sorry.

MR. LALLY: I’m showing you a document. Just as far as -- specifically with reference to page, starting on page 188 of that document, if you could just look at that and look up when you’re finished?

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, may I approach just briefly again?

MR. LALLY: Well, Mr. Camerano, do you recognize what’s depicted on that page that I just showed you?

MR. LALLY: And what do you recognize it to be?

MR. LALLY: And are those text messages that you had back and forth with Mr. O’Keefe on the day of January 28th?

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, the Commonwealth would seek to introduce a book essentially as the next exhibit.

MR. LALLY: Mr. Camerano, I bring your attention back to page 187 of that document. Do you see anything in there listing toward participants in a text communication or conversation on the bottom of the page?

MR. LALLY: And as far as -- who are sort of listed as the participants in that conversation that comes to follow on the next page? I’m sorry, sir. Just from page 187, from the bottom --

MR. LALLY: Okay. Your wife and who, if anyone else?

MR. LALLY: And your wife, John. And is your number there as well?

MR. LALLY: So, essentially, that’s a conversation between yourself; your wife, Katherine; and John O’Keefe. Correct?

MR. LALLY: Okay. Now, beyond sort of your memory of that, as far as the numbers that are associated with those names, do you recognize any of those numbers as being yours, your wife’s, and John O’Keefe’s?

MR. LALLY: Now, sir, if I could ask you to flip the page to the next one, 188.

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, with the Court’s permission, may Ms. Gilman publish this for the jury to read as well?

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if you could go to page 188? Now, I’m sorry, Ms. Gilman, if you could, just --

MR. LALLY: So, sir, what’s up on the screen right now, is that what you have before you as page 188 of Exhibit 48? What’s up on the screen, is that what you have before you?

MR. LALLY: Okay. And as far as on these conversations there a blue bubbles and green bubbles; is that correct?

MR. LALLY: Okay. And if you can tell us from the content or from anything else on the page before you who is communicating in the blue bubble and who is communicating in the green bubble?

MR. LALLY: From within --

MR. LALLY: So there’s a from and a to; is that correct?

MR. LALLY: And, so, the sender would be the from; is that your understanding?

MR. LALLY: So this first one on the top page, 188, this is from you; is that correct?

MR. LALLY: What, if anything, did you say in this conversation?

MR. LALLY: And what, if anything, are you referring to by that?

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if you could just scroll down?

MR. LALLY: And the next bubble, who is that from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: And if you could continue to scroll down some?

MR. LALLY: And, again, from this bubble, who is this from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: Was that still in reference to the news regarding Feehan?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down again?

MR. LALLY: And, again, sir, the next bubble, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could?

MR. LALLY: The next green bubble, what, if anything, does that say and who is it from?

MR. LALLY: And is that your daughter’s name?

MR. LALLY: And then if you could continue to scroll down again?

MR. LALLY: And, again, the next bubble, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: And again, Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down?

MR. LALLY: And, again, the next bubble, who is it from and what does it say, sir?

MR. LALLY: And the next bubble?

MR. LALLY: And who is that from?

MR. LALLY: And if you could scroll down again, Ms. Gilman?

MR. LALLY: And the next bubble, sir?

MR. LALLY: And if you could scroll down again, please.

MR. LALLY: And the next bubble, sir, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: And if you could scroll down again, Mr. Gilman?

MR. LALLY: Now, sir, if I could --

MR. LALLY: May I approach, Your Honor, just to --

MR. LALLY: I don’t.

MR. LALLY: So, sir, I’m going to direct your attention to within the same exhibit page 156. And, sir, just before we get to that, on the particular day of January 28th, 2022, where was your wife that day?

MR. LALLY: And at some point did she go to work on the 28th?

MR. LALLY: Okay. And what is sort of her typical work schedule with reference to -- or at that time what was her sort of typical work schedule with reference to weekends?

MR. LALLY: And, as far as your typical schedule on Friday evenings, what, if anything, was it that you would typically do?

MR. LALLY: And then in reference to that as far as the weekends were concerned, Friday evenings in particular, what, if any, sort of usual thing would you do with reference to Mr. O’Keefe?

MR. LALLY: With your children; is that correct?

MR. LALLY: So maybe your son is hanging out with or your daughter is hanging out with typically on Friday; correct?

MR. LALLY: Now, with reference to what you have before you as page 156 of this exhibit, again towards the bottom is there an indication as to a conversation starting on the next page as far as who, if anyone, the participants are?

MR. LALLY: May I approach, Your Honor?

MR. LALLY: What I want to direct your attention to is the bottom of page 156 here. As far as that box at the bottom, what, if anything, does that indicate as far as the participants in the conversation that continues or begins on the next page?

MR. LALLY: And, sir, if I could ask you to flip the page over to page 157.

MR. LALLY: And, Your Honor, with the Court’s permission, could I publish this part of the conversation for the jury?

MR. LALLY: And, Your Honor, for the record, we’re going from 156 to page 159.

MR. LALLY: And, so, Mr. Camerano, again, what’s up on the screen, is that what you have before you as page 157?

MR. LALLY: And, so, you can look at either. Whether it’s the book in front of you or if it’s easier to see the screen, either is fine. But with reference to what’s up on the screen, that first bubble, if you could indicate to the jury again who it’s from and what it says.

MR. LALLY: And who is Caira?

MR. LALLY: Okay. Fair enough. Now, with reference --

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down?

MR. LALLY: And the next bubble again -- I’m sorry.

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, may I approach just to retrieve the exhibit?

MR. LALLY: Directing your attention, Mr. Camerano, to what’s on 157 before you, is that what’s up on the screen now?

MR. LALLY: And, so, my apologies to the Court.

MR. LALLY: First of all, we’re on page 157. Who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down?

MR. LALLY: And with respect to that next blue bubble, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: And what is the Luce play?

MR. LALLY: And was there a play or something --

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down to the next bubble?

MR. LALLY: And, again, who it from and what does it say, sir?

MR. LALLY: And could that be at the doctor’s?

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down to the next bubble?

MR. LALLY: And, again, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: And if you could go down to the next bubble, please.

MR. LALLY: And, again, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: Please scroll down to the next bubble.

MR. LALLY: -- blank?

MR. LALLY: So, Mr. Camerano, the next bubble has no text to it; is that correct?

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman --

MR. LALLY: The next green one, again, who is it from, what does it say, sir?

MR. LALLY: And if you could scroll down to the next bubble?

MR. LALLY: Again, green bubble, who is it from and what does it say, sir?

MR. LALLY: And what is the Hillside, sir?

MR. LALLY: And where is it located?

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down again?

MR. LALLY: The blue bubble on the screen, who is that from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, please scroll down again.

MR. LALLY: And that green bubble, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could just scroll down again?

MR. LALLY: And, again, the blue bubble on the screen, who is it from and what does it say?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down again?

MR. LALLY: And the next green bubble, who is it --

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if you could scroll down one last time? And that’s fine. Thank you. Ms. Gilman, you can take that down. Your Honor, may I approach just to retrieve?

MR. LALLY: Mr. Camerano, with regard to your statement in the text as far as leaving now, where were you leaving and where were you going to?

MR. LALLY: And who, if anyone, was going with you at that time?

MR. LALLY: And, if you know, approximately what time did you arrive at Mr. O’Keefe’s house?

MR. LALLY: Now, through your friendship with Mr. O’Keefe, did you become familiar with a person named Karen Read?

MR. LALLY: And how did you become familiar with her and who, if anyone, was she to Mr. O’Keefe as far as you knew?

MR. LALLY: And, just to be clear, do you see Ms. Read in the courtroom today?

MR. LALLY: Could you just identify as to where she’s seated or an article of clothing that she’s wearing?

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, I’d just ask the record to reflect identification of the defendant by the witness.

MR. LALLY: Now, with regard to Ms. Read, prior to that date of January 28th, 2022, how long had you known Ms. Read?

MR. LALLY: Do you recall approximately when you met her?

MR. LALLY: And, as far as you were aware, where Mr. O’Keefe lived, did Ms. Read live there as well?

MR. LALLY: So she had a house of her own, as far as you knew?

MR. LALLY: And about how often on a given week would you see Mr. O’Keefe?

MR. LALLY: And about how often would you see Ms. Read?

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as your relationship with Mr. O’Keefe and/or Ms. Read, would there be occasions where you would see Mr. O’Keefe without Ms. Read?

MR. LALLY: And would there be any occasion where you would see Ms. Read without Mr. O’Keefe?

MR. LALLY: And where would that be?

MR. LALLY: Now, with reference to their relationship, what, if any, conversation did you have with Mr. O’Keefe in regard to his relationship with Ms. Reid?

MR. LALLY: In the time period around, say, the weeks leading up to January 28th, 2022, what, if any, conversation do you recall having with Mr. O’Keefe in regard to his relationship with Ms. Read?

MR. LALLY: Anything specific that you can recall?

MR. LALLY: Now, when you arrived at the house, or typically when you come over to Mr. O’Keefe’s house, where is it that you would park?

MR. LALLY: And is that what you did on this particular day?

MR. LALLY: When you arrived at the house, where did you go?

MR. LALLY: Yourself and your daughter?

MR. LALLY: And, when you got in there, who, if anyone, was at the house at that time?

MR. LALLY: And what is it that you did or what is it that occurred while you were in the house?

MR. LALLY: What happened in the house?

MR. LALLY: And at some point did yourself and Mr. O’Keefe make plans to leave the house?

MR. LALLY: And where did you go?

MR. LALLY: And is that C.F. McCarthy’s?

MR. LALLY: And is that an establishment? Where is that?

MR. LALLY: About how far away from Mr. O’Keefe’s house is that?

MR. LALLY: And is that somewhere that you’re familiar with, you’ve been before?

MR. LALLY: Now, with regard to -- do you know approximately what time you left Mr. O’Keefe’s house and went to C.F. McCarthy’s?

MR. LALLY: And where were the girls when the two of you went to C.F. McCarthy’s?

MR. LALLY: And, at the time that you left there and went to C.F. McCathy’s, who, if anyone else -- was there any plans as far as meeting anybody else there?

MR. LALLY: Now, prior to leaving the house, what, if anything, did you or Mr. O’Keefe do with reference to the vehicles that were in the driveway?

MR. LALLY: I’m sorry. You said because of what now?

MR. LALLY: And, as far as a snowstorm was concerned, what, if anything, did you know at that point in regard to that?

MR. LALLY: If I may have just one moment, Your Honor?

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, with the Court’s permission, I would ask that Ms. Gilman be allowed to publish a part of Exhibit 6, which is the driveway of the Ring video.

MR. LALLY: And, Ms. Gilman, if I could ask for Video No. 145. I’m sorry. If you could pause it right there?

MR. LALLY: Mr. Camerano, do you recognize what’s up on the screen?

MR. LALLY: And what do you recognize that to be?

MR. LALLY: And, as far as --

MR. LALLY: May I approach the witness again, Your Honor?

MR. LALLY: So just before you here this is a laser pointer. If you just press that button and point it.

MR. LALLY: Mr. Camerano, using that laser pointer that you now have with you, if you could direct the jury’s attention where in this video you see yourself and your daughter?

MR. LALLY: And there are two vehicles in this frame; is that correct?

MR. LALLY: If you could use the laser pointer to describe to the jury whose car is whose and where is it?

MR. LALLY: Now, as far as the Ring system that Mr. O’Keefe had at his house at the time, as far as your knowledge of it, what, if anything, would the two of you do with reference to sort of picking up or dropping off kids and the Ring video?

MR. LALLY: And do you know how it was watching if he wasn’t home?

MR. LALLY: So would that be sort of a running joke between the two of you?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could play this, please.

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, if you could just pause it there briefly.

MR. LALLY: Now, Mr. Camerano, you’re familiar with Mr. O’Keefe’s house. You’ve been there plenty of times; correct?

MR. LALLY: And, with reference to sort of where you and your daughter sort of exited from the screen, what, if any, sort of entrances to the home are located in that area?

MR. LALLY: And are you familiar with that garage area?

MR. LALLY: Is that typically how you would enter the house?

MR. LALLY: And, with regard to sort of the condition of the garage, was Mr. O’Keefe particular about that?

MR. LALLY: And how so?

MR. LALLY: So, as far as -- how many garage doors? And what I mean by garage doors is sort of electronic, you know, up and down.

MR. LALLY: And what, if anything, was on the left, as far as the left door?

MR. LALLY: And then as far as the right door?

MR. LALLY: And beyond those sort of bay doors that go up and down, what, if any other, entranceway into the garage was there?

MR. LALLY: And, if you recall, when you were entering at that time on the 28th with your daughter, how did you enter in?

MR. LALLY: And was that something -- what, if anything, was affixed to those garage doors as far as security was concerned, beyond the camera?

MR. LALLY: And at the time or at any time were you familiar with what that passcode was?

MR. LALLY: Now, when you walk into the garage, how is it that you get from the garage to the house?

MR. LALLY: And then once you sort of walk up the three steps and go into the door, what part of the house are you in when you enter?

MR. LALLY: And you mentioned that Mr. O’Keefe was meticulous, if not OCD, when it came to the garage. How did that relate to how he kept the house?

MR. LALLY: And, as far as shoes were concerned, is that something that you wore inside the house or no?

MR. LALLY: And that was pretty well-known to people that had been there before; correct?

MR. LALLY: Ms. Gilman, from the same exhibit, if I could -- actually, I’m sorry. Your Honor, with regards to the next video that’s not contained on this Exhibit 5, from the same video, I would offer that at this time as the next exhibit.

MR. LALLY: Your Honor, for the record, this would relate to Exhibit 6 and it’s Video No. 148. And, with the Court’s permission, may I publish that to the jury at this time, Your Honor?

MR. LALLY: What was just up on video, sir, just up on the screen as Video No. 148, that was what you had testified to previously as far as moving the cars?

MR. LALLY: And why was that again?

MR. LALLY: Okay. So the expectation from your understanding is that Ms. Read was coming back to the house at Meadows later on that evening?

MR. LALLY: Now, as Mr. O’Keefe, from that video, on the screen there, was walking to the car did you happen to notice how he was dressed?

MR. LALLY: And, as far as what you observed in that video, what you recall from that evening, is that how he was dressed that evening?

MR. LALLY: And when I say “how he was dressed,” so for the entirety of the time that you were with him?