Anthony Flematti - Direct
277 linesCOURT CLERK: Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. All parties having anything to do before The Honorable First Justice now sitting in the Superior Court within County of Norfolk, give your attendance, you shall be heard. This is 2282117, the Commonwealth versus Karen Read. Can I have counsel identify themselves for the record?
MR. LALLY: Appearing with the Commonwealth. Adam Lally for the Commonwealth. Good morning, your honor.
JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning, Mr. Lally.
MS. MCLAUGHLIN: Good morning, your honor. McLaughlin for the Commonwealth.
JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning, Miss McLaughlin.
MR. JACKSON: Al Jackson on behalf of Miss Read. Good morning.
JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning. Good morning, Mr. Jackson.
MS. LITTLE: Elizabeth Little also on behalf of Miss Read. Good morning, Miss — — Little.
JUDGE CANNONE: Good morning. Morning, Judge.
MR. YANNETTI: David Yannetti for Karen Read.
JUDGE CANNONE: Morning, Mr. Yannetti. Good morning, Miss Read. Good morning, jurors. So I have to ask you those same three questions. Were you all able to follow the instructions and refrain from discussing this case with anyone? Everyone said yes, or nodded affirmatively. Were you also able to follow the instructions and refrain from doing any independent research or investigation into this case? Yes, everyone said yes and nodded affirmatively. Did anyone happen to see, hear, or read anything about this case since we left here on Tuesday? Everyone said no or shook their heads. So, jurors, from time to time I will give you instructions, or talk to you for a few minutes about how you evaluate evidence.
JUDGE CANNONE: So I just want to take a couple of minutes today — it's part of my job, where my job is to teach the jury about the law. So in considering the testimony of any witness, please remember the questions are not evidence. Only the answers, which are in fact the only part of the exchange between the lawyer and the witness that are given under oath, are evidence. So if a witness is asked, "Isn't it true that after you learned that your uncle left you money in his will, you poisoned him?" and the witness answers "No," based solely on that question and that answer, there's no evidence that the witness has an uncle, that the uncle had a will, that the uncle left the witness money, that the witness knew that he did, or that the witness poisoned him.
JUDGE CANNONE: So going forward I want you to consider the evidence in that regard. Also, there were videos shown to you, and I expect that throughout the course of this trial there'll be many more videos shown to you. These videos are evidence, and there's audio on these. So what the video shows is for you folks to decide — not me, not any of the lawyers. What an audio recording says is for you to decide — not me, not any of the lawyers — because you find the facts. That's your job. We all have different jobs, but finding the facts in the case is your job. Okay. So with that, please get the Commonwealth's witness back on the stand, Mr. Flematti.
JUDGE CANNONE: Jim? Yes. Just swear him in again, please. Thank you. Just watch your step.
COURT CLERK: Need you to raise your right hand one more time. Do you swear to give the court and jury the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
MR. FLEMATTI: I do.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right, Mr. Lally, whenever you're ready.
MR. LALLY: Thank you. Before I begin, may I just ask the witness to return to — exhibit —
JUDGE CANNONE: Sure.
MR. FLEMATTI: Good morning, sir.
MR. LALLY: Good morning. Now, [unintelligible] — I believe when we had left off the other day, you had arrived in the area of 34 Fairview Road. Is that correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And when you arrived there, what, if anything, did you do on your — so —
MR. FLEMATTI: On arrival, positioning the apparatus is going to be our most important thing — trying to figure out where our patient is and parking our apparatus close enough, especially at night time, that we can light up the scene as well as we can, try and figure out how to approach a scene, because if we have to track equipment farther distances it can slow our response down. So we try and make sure our arrival and positioning is as best as we can put it.
MR. LALLY: And as far as positioning — in reference to when you first are sort of pulling up on the scene — where are you in the ambulance?
MR. FLEMATTI: So I would have been the passenger of the ambulance. Usually the tech that's leading into the call will sit on the passenger side to try and mentally get ready for what's going on, whether it's reviewing protocols or just trying to assess the information coming across the radio, so you can update your treatment plan as much as you can before you even see the victim.
MR. LALLY: And when the ambulance comes to a stop where it's parked, from your position, what, if anything, do you see, sort of, as far as the scene is concerned?
MR. FLEMATTI: So we have our fire apparatus that are helping light up the scene, but we also have two female parties going to the victim on the side of the road, going back and forth between that person and the side of the road.
MR. LALLY: And from the position when you first arrive, are you able to see the person on the side of —
MR. FLEMATTI: You can see a shape of a person. So we know that's where the patient is, because we reported that there was a party on the side of the road. So seeing a body shape clued us that that was where we were headed.
MR. LALLY: In addition to the ambulance that you're in, how many other vehicles are on scene when you get there?
MR. FLEMATTI: When I get there, I believe it is Engine 3 and Car 5.
MR. LALLY: And beyond sort of the vehicles from your department, what, if any other vehicles do you see when you get —
MR. FLEMATTI: If I remember correctly, it was just a personal vehicle. I don't remember if there were any police cars on scene at that time.
MR. LALLY: And from your orientation when you pull up, where is the body positioned — to your left, to your right, or —
MR. FLEMATTI: Something to my left.
MR. LALLY: And so after the ambulance is positioned, what do you do?
MR. FLEMATTI: So then it's going to be bringing all the equipment over to the patient side — to be able to extricate them from that situation, whether it's a house or a street or a road. We assess where they are, and then the best tools to get them out into the ambulance to be able to work effectively on the patient.
MR. LALLY: When you proceed over to — now, again, at some point subsequent, later on, are you able to identify who the person on the ground is?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yes. We will try and get a general idea of the age of the patient, the positioning of the patient, how they were found, and then when we get them into the ambulance we can start identifying ways to register that patient in the emergency room. So identifiers, whether it's a license or witnesses, we try and figure out who they are so they can get registered at the hospital.
MR. LALLY: At some point, were you able to identify who this person was?
MR. FLEMATTI: That's correct. His wallet was in his pocket and we were able to grab his license.
MR. LALLY: And who were you able to identify?
MR. FLEMATTI: That was John O'Keefe.
MR. LALLY: And so with reference to Mr. O'Keefe, when you first observe him on the ground, how far away from the street or the roadway is that?
MR. FLEMATTI: I'd say approximately 10 feet away from the road.
MR. LALLY: And how is he positioned — as far as how is his body positioned?
MR. FLEMATTI: I'd have to — but I believe he was supine, on his back.
MR. LALLY: In general terms, first, when you're responding to a call of this nature, what are some of the protocols — that you were speaking about — what is it that you're seeking to do or assess when you first arrive?
MR. FLEMATTI: So we're trying to determine if it's a cardiac arrest, whether it's a viable transport or workable arrest. We have certain protocols within the Massachusetts protocols for whether we work the patient or we leave the patient on scene — it's a police matter if there are injuries not sustainable with life. So we're trying to make that assessment before we make any decisions.
MR. LALLY: Let me stop you there just for one second. You use the term "cardiac arrest." Based on your training and experience, what do you want to say on that term?
MR. FLEMATTI: So cardiac arrest, to the best of my knowledge, is just the cessation of electrical and mechanical activity in the cardiac muscle. So the cardiac muscle pumps blood throughout the body, and when that stops, all life stops after that.
MR. LALLY: Now, in particular reference to the conditions — the weather conditions that you find yourself in — what, if anything else, is sort of on the scale or spectrum in regard to diagnosis of this?
MR. FLEMATTI: So cardiac arrest, depending on where they're found, we try and figure out what led them to be at that point. So we're looking at weather conditions as well. That can also affect viability of resuscitation. So due to the extreme weather, extreme cold, we will attempt resuscitation on that patient due to the fact that it'll prolong viability of the arrest, or ability to recover from cardiac arrest afterwards. So weather is definitely a key factor, and where they are found.
MR. LALLY: And are you familiar with the term, based on your training and experience, called hypothermia?
MR. FLEMATTI: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And so what, if any, relationship does cardiac arrest have — well, let me ask you this first. What is your understanding of the term?
MR. FLEMATTI: Hypothermia is the exposure to extreme cold that lowers your core and extremity temperatures down to below 95 degrees. — usually.
MR. LALLY: And what if any interplay is there between hypothermia and cardiac arrest?
MR. FLEMATTI: So, like I said before, it'll prolong — it'll preserve the body after. So if somebody's found in a cold water situation, there have been multiple reports of patients recovering after being drowned in cold water for up to an hour. So viability is definitely improved by the cold weather.
MR. LALLY: And as far as viability is concerned, you talk about doing your assessment — what are sort of the steps that go into your assessment?
MR. FLEMATTI: So we're looking at obvious signs of death. So we're looking at exposure of brain matter, we're looking at traumatic injuries, decapitation — things that would basically be non-life-sustainable. We're looking at signs of lividity and rigor, to basically show us how long the patient has been down for.
MR. LALLY: And the age of a particular patient — what if any relationship does that have to your assessment?
MR. FLEMATTI: So it'll show the extent of frailty the patient has. If somebody's an elderly patient, severe cancer patient, their ability to sustain a cardiac event like that is less. So somebody that's younger, middle-aged, will have a much better chance of recovery afterwards. But that would really be the only key that we're looking at.
MR. LALLY: And what if any observations did you make of Mr. O'Keefe during your assessment of him initially?
MR. FLEMATTI: Just said he was a middle-aged male, and that was all we had.
MR. LALLY: And as far as the other things that you were talking about as far as viability or assessment, what if anything did you observe with reference to Mr. O'Keefe in regard to that?
MR. FLEMATTI: So with viability, we were looking at any rigidity or rigor in the body, or lividity or separation of blood — you would have a pooling of blood or bruising, it would look like, at the lower parts of the body, depending on how the person's positioned. Basically if they're supine you'd have positioning or pooling underneath the body, and then you would have stiffness of the arms, legs, jaw, neck — to be able to move the body. We're looking to see if they don't have those things present, it's another check mark of saying this is viable, we can work this.
MR. LALLY: And specifically as it applies to your assessment of Mr. O'Keefe, what if anything do you recall in regard to that initial assessment as far as viability?
MR. FLEMATTI: So his limbs were able to be moved, jaw was able to be moved, the posterior of his body was red — so not indicative of lividity that we're looking for. So he deemed it to be a viable arrest and continued to work.
MR. LALLY: You mentioned as far as sort of gathering your equipment, bringing it over to Mr. O'Keefe — what if any equipment did you get?
MR. FLEMATTI: So equipment initially is going to be our scoop stretcher, to be able to pick the patient up, break apart, put it underneath him. We have a first-in bag, an airway bag, cardiac monitor — we'll bring all that over to the patient side to be able to do as much as we can in that situation. But due to the weather we wanted to get him out of the weather, because that was one of the things that was hurting him at that point — getting him into the warmer ambulance and beginning the warming process. So getting into an area where we can assess the patient thoroughly with good lighting, and to be able to expose a patient, begin the warming process.
MR. LALLY: And when you go over to where Mr. O'Keefe is — about 10 feet off the roadway — who if anyone from your department goes along with you?
MR. FLEMATTI: So I have Matt Kelly with me and Tim Nuttall. I also have Frank Walsh, Katie McLaughlin, and Greg Woodbury, and Captain Roby.
MR. LALLY: And as far as this sort of initial assessment on the ground with Mr. O'Keefe, what if anything were each of those respective people doing with regard to Mr. O'Keefe?
MR. FLEMATTI: I'd have to review specific interventions as far as who did what when, but that's why we document things immediately afterwards so it's all fresh. So CPR was initiated by me, and ALS assessment as well. So I can go over individual interventions if you'd like.
MR. LALLY: And for the record, sir, you're looking at exhibit number 160 — and what page are you looking at?
MR. FLEMATTI: It says page 25 of my EMS report, but there's also the
PARENTHETICAL: [unclear]
MR. FLEMATTI: report on the top as well.
MR. LALLY: So initially, when you go over to Mr. O'Keefe, how many other people are sort of in that area at that time?
MR. FLEMATTI: So in the area we have the first responders, and then we have the two female parties on scene.
MR. LALLY: Where were the two females in relation to this?
MR. FLEMATTI: So as we're approaching the scene they were kind of in between us and the patient. So we tried to gather as much information as we could from them.
MR. LALLY: So once you make that determination as far as viability of resuscitative efforts, sort of specifically what are you and the other firefighters doing in regard to those efforts with Mr. O'Keefe?
MR. FLEMATTI: So we're beginning CPR, we're trying to establish good quality CPR, get the patient onto our stretcher, begin an IO, start medication, start ventilating the patient — all of the conditions that the body has we're trying to remedy through intervention. So we're trying to breathe for the patient, we're starting to press on his chest to do CPR, to cause the cardiac muscle to compress, spread blood through the heart, cardiac muscle, cerebral brain, and we're trying to reverse what's happening in the body.
MR. LALLY: Now, as far as when Mr. O'Keefe — you observe him on the ground — what if any snow did you observe on or around him in that area?
MR. FLEMATTI: So snow was probably up to the mid-axillary point, so we're looking at probably halfway up his rib cage. Top of his body was clear.
MR. LALLY: And do you know about how much snow was covering his body up to the mid-axillary?
MR. FLEMATTI: I'd say probably about four to six inches.
MR. LALLY: Now as far as your observations of Mr. O'Keefe when he's on the ground, what if any observations did you make as far as how he was dressed for the exposure?
MR. FLEMATTI: I'd say he was pretty underdressed — long sleeve t-shirt, jeans — nothing really substantial to be out in that type of weather.
MR. LALLY: And at this point or any subsequent point, what if any observations did you make of Mr. O'Keefe's footwear?
MR. FLEMATTI: By the time we — so our first priority is obviously going to be treating the patient. His clothes do matter but it's on the list of priorities, not huge. So by the time we figured out he was missing one of his shoes, we were already at the hospital at that point.
MR. LALLY: And do you recall which of his shoes he was missing?
MR. FLEMATTI: I don't, I don't.
MR. LALLY: And as far as that missing shoe, was that something that you or any of the other firefighters or paramedics would have needed to have removed on scene pursuant to any sort of treatment?
MR. FLEMATTI: Nothing would have been done through the feet. It would have been just exposure of the patient to see possibly the extent of frostbite, if it had started affecting extremities — fingers, nose — that type of thing, of a hypothermic reaction.
MR. LALLY: Would that be something that would have been removed by one of you or one of the other firefighters while he was on the ground?
MR. FLEMATTI: If it would have been removed, both of them would have been removed, to assess that. It wouldn't do much good to just remove one and leave it there on scene.
MR. LALLY: Now as far as the two females that you observed, did they sort of remain in the same position you initially observed them, or did they move around?
MR. FLEMATTI: They kind of cleared a little bit away from the scene — I would say they moved off to the right of the apparatus so we could work on the patient at that time.
MR. LALLY: And what if any conversation — what if anything did you ask either of them?
MR. FLEMATTI: So how the patient was found and what brought them to that situation is critical. So we're trying to figure out as much information, past medical history that we can of the patient. So we're trying to find somebody who has knowledge of the event. So as we approached the scene, we began to talk to one of the females — what is going on, why are they there, what's going on, just what happened.
MR. LALLY: And you were speaking to one of the two females — is that correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: That's correct.
MR. LALLY: Do you see any of those females in the courtroom today?
MR. FLEMATTI: That's correct.
MR. LALLY: Ms. Read, could you just identify where you are seated, or an article of clothing?
JUDGE CANNONE: I'll just ask the record to reflect.
MR. LALLY: Okay. Now with regard to one of the two females that you were talking to — was that Ms. Read, or was that somebody else?
MR. FLEMATTI: That was Ms. Read.
MR. LALLY: And why, if at all, were you talking to her versus one of the other females that you observed?
MR. FLEMATTI: She seemed to be the one that was most personally affected by it, so figured she had the most information about why the person was there.
MR. LALLY: And what if any observations did you make of her in regard to your conclusion that she seemed the most personally affected?
MR. FLEMATTI: She was the most distressed on scene — obviously upset — so personally related to or had a relationship with the person.
MR. LALLY: Before we get to the conversations, what if anything did you observe Ms. Read or any of the females doing with reference to Mr. O'Keefe's body when you first started to come up to the scene?
MR. FLEMATTI: So I would characterize it as an attempted resuscitation — they were attempting to — she was attempting to do CPR. But due to the erratic behavior, she was running back and forth between the other female on scene and the body, back and forth, trying to press on his chest, wake him up, talk to him — just to no avail.
MR. LALLY: And as far as your conversation with Ms. Read, what if any questions did you ask in regard to demographics or anything else? — who this is, how they are there — tried to get any type of information we could from her at that time, but with no luck. When you say "with no luck," what if any response did you receive from Miss Read in regard to your question?
MR. FLEMATTI: So the only response that I was personally given was just, "I hit him, I hit him, oh my God, I hit him."
MR. LALLY: And when she's saying "I hit him, I hit him, oh my God, I hit him," how loudly is she?
MR. FLEMATTI: She was within two feet of me, but very loud.
MR. LALLY: Any type of follow-up questioning? Did you hit him with your hand, did you kick him, what happened?
MR. FLEMATTI: She just repeated the phrase over and over again: "I hit him, I hit him."
MR. LALLY: And just to be clear, where does this conversation occur?
MR. FLEMATTI: This was as we're bringing equipment over to the patient. The interventions are going to be started basically by whoever gets over to the scene first. I'm trying to gather information as a lead paramedic to try and coordinate interventions and therapy — to kind of holistically be the team leader in that situation and treat and transport the patient. So it was on approach to the patient, probably halfway between the ambulance and the patient.
MR. LALLY: And with regard to that treatment of Mr. — you referenced it earlier being within your report — what were sort of those steps, or what if anything did you and the other [unintelligible] do with regard to — before you answer that, Your Honor, may I request — may the witness just refer to the EMS report as he goes?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes, if need be.
MR. LALLY: Thank you.
MR. FLEMATTI: So we try and document through our flowchart all of the interventions that we're doing. So CPR is obviously going to be our first priority. CPR was initiated — unchanged but successful in the actual intervention itself, no complications. We do our ALS assessment that we talked about, of any further indications that this is not a viable arrest. We determined it was a viable arrest and we move on, and we're going to start — we refer to it as a bag valve mask at 15 L per minute on oxygen. The patient's not breathing on their own so we're trying to assist ventilating that with high-flow oxygen as well. And EZ-IO, which is a needle we put into the bone of the tibia of the patient — that was on that right tibia, was the first one we put in.
MR. FLEMATTI: We're going to be putting in warm fluid; we have a warmer in the back to be able to bring up the core temperature. Then we start with epinephrine, 1 milligram, through that IO.
MR. LALLY: I could just stop you there for one second — when you say IO and putting it into the leg, how is that done?
MR. FLEMATTI: So we have two different methods we can do. We have a — a drill, a power drill that drills through the outer layer of the bone into the capillary area of the bone, the soft spongy material. So we drill through that, or we can do it by hand if that fails.
MR. LALLY: And when it comes to the epinephrine, what is sort of the purpose of that medication and what are you trying to do with that medication?
MR. FLEMATTI: So that medication will improve — it's a constrictor, it'll cause the vasculature to constrict, so it'll improve the quality or effectiveness on the cardiac muscle, cardiac vasculature, and the cerebral area.
MR. LALLY: As far as the administration of epinephrine is concerned, is that something that's done once or more than once, and is there a protocol for that?
MR. FLEMATTI: So it's going to be serial — every 3 to 5 minutes during the cardiac arrest to try and bring them over to the hospital — so it continues that entire time, unless there's a rhythm change, or that can change our algorithm of how we approach the patient, if there's a rhythm regain or return of spontaneous circulation.
MR. LALLY: And so how many times, or what times, was the epinephrine administered via the IO to Mr. O'Keefe?
MR. FLEMATTI: So I have epinephrine at 6:20, 6:25, 6:30, 6:35, 6:40, and 6:45.
MR. LALLY: And when was that first administered — would that have been at some point when he was outside of the ambulance on the ground, or in the ambulance, or something else?
MR. FLEMATTI: Would be dependent on transport time. So our first — we're at patient side at 6:15, transport 6:27 — so best estimation would have been inside of the ambulance at that point.
MR. LALLY: I'm sorry, I interrupted you before. But after sort of the introduction of the epinephrine, what if anything did you and the other firefighters do after the first round?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yeah. So first round of epinephrine — after that we would drop in with — it's called an OPA — that would be to push the tongue out of the way, open up the airway, to improve our bag valve mask so it has an open airway to get the oxygen into the lungs. We begin external warming, stripping the patient, getting the heat turned up in the back of the ambulance. We would then switch over from manual CPR done by hand to a mechanical CPR device to ensure adequate, consistent CPR compressions of the chest — that was a Lucas device — put that on the patient. And then we continue with another round of epi. Patient's starting to warm up this time, so we would do suction at that point to try and suction fluid out of the airway to improve ventilation efforts. Another round of epi is done.
MR. FLEMATTI: Have another suction — this time through a deep suction via the et tube. Sorry — at 6:22, after warming, we intubated the patient. We have a 7.5 tube placed at 27 cm, then verified through various means — through chest rise, auscultation, waveform, and tidal CO2. So we had complications listed as patient vomiting, aspirating. Suction was then done with a rigid tip suction device. After successful intubation we then suctioned via French catheter through the airway. Established — jump back up to 6:31 — another IO line was established on the opposite tibia on the left side, and then another three rounds of epi, and then arrival at the hospital.
MR. LALLY: What was the arrival time at the hospital?
MR. FLEMATTI: Destination was 6:45.
MR. LALLY: What hospital was that?
MR. FLEMATTI: Good Samaritan Medical Center.
MR. LALLY: Is there a term that you use in your reports — I'll probably butcher this — but asystole? Is that correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yeah, asystole is going to be a cardiac rhythm where there's no electrical activity in the heart, and is referred to as flatline.
MR. LALLY: What if any observations did you make in your treatment and diagnosis in regards to Mr. O'Keefe, as far as existing —
MR. FLEMATTI: So that was the rhythm he was found in. Yeah, from initial rhythm, I have on the EKG at 6:32 as asystole. So we basically observe that for any changes — whether it's increase of electrical activity, regain of adequate pulses — all of that can kind of be hinted at with the cardiac rhythm. And then we would change our algorithm based on whether we go down the ROSC protocol or we continue down the cardiac arrest protocol.
MR. LALLY: And whether it's on scene or it's in the ambulance, is there sort of a division of tasks or a division of different skill that's being employed in patient care?
MR. FLEMATTI: So patient care will have to do with level of training and also proximity on the patient. Where you get into the ambulance is just logistically — if you have the training, it's not a huge open ER, it's a small environment, so we try and not have people jump over each other as best as we can.
MR. LALLY: And if you recall, who was sort of doing what in relation to treatment of this patient in the ambulance?
MR. FLEMATTI: In the back of the ambulance, specifically?
MR. LALLY: Yes. Okay.
MR. FLEMATTI: In the back of the ambulance, Tim Nuttall was managing the airway. I was the team lead, coordinating all of the interventions. Matt Kelly was assisting in gathering equipment, doing CPR before the mechanical device was placed on — basically acting as an assistant to hand equipment, place things in strategic areas around so we can actually work without having to go get those physical things ourselves.
MR. LALLY: Now, as far as — you indicated removal of Mr. O'Keefe's clothing once in the ambulance — correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yes.
MR. LALLY: What was it about the condition of the clothing that led to the removal?
MR. FLEMATTI: So removal of clothing is actually pretty standard for any cardiac arrest, any traumatic injuries — we're basically trying to get further clues because this is all happening very quickly. So we're trying to get more evidence of why are they here. We're looking for extremity injuries, crush injuries, bruising, anything that we could document that we could pass on to the emergency room staff and doctors. So we would strip most patients.
MR. LALLY: And as far as — were you involved personally as far as sort of the cutting of the clothing on the patient?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And upon removal of the clothing, what if anything did you observe as to sort of the condition of the clothing or texture of the clothing?
MR. FLEMATTI: Condition seemed pretty well intact, but just wet and cold.
MR. LALLY: And what if any relationship does the wet and cold clothing have to any of the diagnoses that you were running through in regard to this —
MR. FLEMATTI: It would really just be the exposure to the weather would be our biggest trigger off of that, or if you had protruding injuries through the clothing, compound fractures, things like that. The clothing was intact but we knew it was wet and cold, so as we strip things off of him we can see underneath — basically if there are any subcutaneous — not every fracture breaks through the skin, not everything causes obvious signs, so as we strip the patient we can begin to further assess.
MR. LALLY: Take you back just for a second to outside of the ambulance. What if anything specifically were you able to observe with reference to any injuries to Mr. O'Keefe?
MR. FLEMATTI: That's — injuries are pretty tough to see outside of the ambulance just due to the weather, due to the lighting. We have lighting on the ambulance as well, but —
MR. LALLY: Let me ask you — as far as what was — what if any difference did you know — —between the lighting in the back of the ambulance versus when you were with Mr. O'Keefe outside?
MR. FLEMATTI: He was still out in the weather at that point, so bleeding wasn't really obvious at that point. As soon as we get him into the back of the ambulance, then we start noticing hemorrhage from different areas of his body.
MR. LALLY: And when you say hemorrhage from different areas, which areas?
MR. FLEMATTI: Mostly from his mouth, his eyes, nose.
MR. LALLY: And just to be clear for the record, when you use the term hemorrhage, based on your training and experience, what do you understand that to mean?
MR. FLEMATTI: Bleeding, external bleeding.
MR. LALLY: Now you mention that there was some suctioning of Mr. O'Keefe's airway, is that— —correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And what if anything specifically was suctioned from the airway?
MR. FLEMATTI: Suctioning from the airway is mostly blood, blood sputum.
MR. LALLY: And as far as how much, what if anything did you have to sort of measure how much blood would be suctioned out?
MR. FLEMATTI: We have a canister that has marks of milliliters so we can determine as we're suctioning how much is in that container at different times.
MR. LALLY: And about how much, based on that, would be suctioned from Mr. O'Keefe?
MR. FLEMATTI: The initial suctioning with the Yankauer tip was about 150 mL, and subsequently — so that would have been above the airway, in the mouth, in that type of area — we established the intubation— —and then deep suctioning with that soft tip through the intubation tube would have been another 50 mL of fluid.
MR. LALLY: Now with reference to — you mentioned some observations in this pcr — correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: What? Sorry.
MR. LALLY: You mentioned some observations you made earlier with reference to Mr. O'Keefe's back?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And what were those again?
MR. FLEMATTI: That would have been redness of the skin on the posterior of the body.
MR. LALLY: What if any significance did that have to you as far as your observation?
MR. FLEMATTI: Redness of the skin — if it's general across the body can mean certain things. If it's just a particular area, and due to the fact that it was cold outside, that would have been— —the initial stages of frostbite or exposure to cold.
MR. LALLY: And as far as the remainder of Mr. O'Keefe's body, what if any other observations did you make, and in which areas did you make those observations, with regard to the initial state?
MR. FLEMATTI: As far as cold exposure, we're looking at the most exterior parts. Extreme cold exposure can lead to frostnip and frostbite in different areas. The first affected areas are going to be your fingers, your ears, your nose, your toes, that type of. So that was a cold, waxy, pale, stark white substance basically — or condition of his skin — and on each of those areas that you— —just described. Yes.
MR. LALLY: Now sort of up in the area of Mr. O'Keefe's head — you mentioned some bleeding from the eyes and—
MR. FLEMATTI: Correct. Well, his mouth, yes.
MR. LALLY: And beyond that, what if any observations did you make of any other sort of injuries to his head?
MR. FLEMATTI: His eyes were pretty well swollen. We were trying to clear areas of blood to figure out if there were any contusions around the head. I believe there was a contusion on his forehead. He also had some markings on his extremities as well.
MR. LALLY: And just as far as your understanding, based on your training and experience, when you use the word contusion, what do you understand that to mean?
MR. FLEMATTI: Bruising.
MR. LALLY: And before we get to the extremities— —what if any observations did you make as far as Mr. O'Keefe's abdomen?
MR. FLEMATTI: Abdomen, we noted significant distension, or swelling of the belly.
MR. LALLY: And what if any significance did that have to you in regard to your assessment?
MR. FLEMATTI: It's another of our detailed assessments. We go through the body in a more detailed way to try and find more clues that we can pass on for the assessment. Distension in the belly could be due to trauma or bloating. Those are usually our biggest triggers for distension.
MR. LALLY: Now you mentioned, as far as the extremities are concerned, what if anything did you observe as far as injuries to Mr. O'Keefe's?
MR. FLEMATTI: We had the cold rigid fingers, hands, feet, and we had multiple dried blood lacerations to the right arm.
MR. LALLY: Recall specifically where on Mr. O'Keefe's right arm?
MR. FLEMATTI: Would have been his upper arm.
MR. LALLY: And you mentioned dried — is that correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yes.
MR. LALLY: So these were not actively bleeding at the time that you observed them?
MR. FLEMATTI: No.
MR. LALLY: Now as far as dried blood versus actively bleeding, what if anything does that indicate to you as far as sort of timing?
MR. FLEMATTI: We had active bleeding from other areas in the body. So the fact that it had already stopped and clotted, I would assume that would have been several hours before the incident that led him to be there. But I would guess earlier in the evening. —would guess earlier in the evening.
MR. LALLY: Now as far as the history is concerned, your attempts on scene — and then what if any attempts were made subsequent, when you were in the ambulance, to obtain any sort of history of the patient or what if any information on injuries you observed?
MR. FLEMATTI: Once we get the patient into the ambulance, there was no family, no bystanders in the back of the ambulance. So then it's going to be solely based on physical assessment.
MR. LALLY: And within sort of the team of firefighters that you had, was there anyone you directed to try and obtain that information while you're in the back?
MR. FLEMATTI: That would have been Katie McLaughlin.
MR. LALLY: And what did you ask McLaughlin?
MR. FLEMATTI: Katie was one of our senior paramedics at the time. So we had enough skilled hands working on the patient at that time. So to direct her — I wasn't able to get as much information and still had a skill to do, or still had a task to do, to run the cardiac arrest. So I — I directed Miss Read over to Katie to try and gather more information as to why they were there, if you could get any more information about who he was, events leading to the injury, how long he was down for, any type of information, and then moved on to the patient at that point.
MR. LALLY: And so firefighter McLaughlin was having this conversation outside of the ambulance, is— —that correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: That's correct.
MR. LALLY: This is going on while you're inside of the ambulance actively treating the patient?
MR. FLEMATTI: It was a very quick process. So I start the conversation — wasn't productive, wasn't moving forward — moved her over to firefighter McLaughlin, continued on to the patient, and then started treatment, moved the patient in, and then Katie came into the back of the ambulance to help. So it's a very quick— —process.
MR. LALLY: Now as far as Mr. O'Keefe's eyes were concerned, what if any observations further did you make as far as Mr. O'Keefe's eyes?
MR. FLEMATTI: Both eyes were swollen and bleeding.
MR. LALLY: What if any observations were you able to make of — I'm sorry — the pupils?
MR. FLEMATTI: Pupils — I have documented as 4 millimeters and non-reactive.
MR. LALLY: What if any significance do those observations have, as far as four millimeters?
MR. FLEMATTI: We're looking for equality between the two. So signs of bleeding can be demonstrated by unequal pupils. Or if they were restricted, could lead us to believe it was as a result of an opioid interaction. But we're looking at whether they react to light as well. If there's brain activity, if there's still something causing the body to react, you'll have some type of pupillary response. So we shine light — there was no response — so was fixed, and at 4 millimeters.
MR. LALLY: Now at some point you leave the scene en route to Good Samaritan, is that correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: That's correct.
MR. LALLY: And who is continuing treatment of Mr. O'Keefe in the back of the ambulance during transport?
MR. FLEMATTI: Back of the ambulance in transport would have been firefighter Kelly, firefighter Nuttall, and myself.
MR. LALLY: And who, if anyone, was driving the ambulance between Fairview and Good Samaritan?
MR. FLEMATTI: That'll be determined by basically just positioning on the engine. So the step driver for that position would then drive as the detailed person over to the ambulance. That was firefighter McLaughlin.
MR. LALLY: Now during the transport from Fairview to Good Samaritan, what if anything are you and the other firefighters in the back of the ambulance doing as far as continuing treatment of the patient?
MR. FLEMATTI: We started transport at 6:27. So between 6:27 and 6:45, treatments included epinephrine, additional suctioning, managing the airway, placing another IO line, and then three additional rounds of epinephrine while the mechanical CPR is continuing.
MR. LALLY: And during the course of the transport, what if any changes in Mr. O'Keefe's status as far as the cardiac arrest or the breathing occurred during the transport?
MR. FLEMATTI: No changes.
MR. LALLY: Now that time that it took to get from Fairview to Good Samaritan, is that a typical transport time?
MR. FLEMATTI: Not normally. Due to the weather it was pretty slow driving, even though the ambulance was a smaller vehicle than the engine. Slow transport compared to normal.
MR. LALLY: And during the course of the transport, what communication are you having with Good Samaritan in regard to Mr. O'Keefe and his eventual arrival there?
MR. FLEMATTI: Every medical call that goes on, we try to give the hospital staff a heads up basically of what's— coming in. We'll have different alerts that we would give them, whether it's a cardiac arrest, a stroke, a STEMI, to have the certain appropriate teams come in and be ready — whether it's a trauma alert, there's different specialties within the hospital that'll treat those different particular cases. So we call them 5 to 10 minutes prior to give that team time to get down into the emergency room, to get ready to work.
MR. LALLY: When you arrive at Good Samaritan, were you met by anyone, and sort of what happened with regard to Mr. O'Keefe?
MR. FLEMATTI: So we're continuing interventions from the ambulance through the bay into their cold room. We were then met by registration, a registered nurse, and the doctor that took care of the patient, as well as a team of other assistants and CNAs.
MR. LALLY: And where do you physically go with Mr. O'Keefe, or how does that work?
MR. FLEMATTI: So that's referred to as a transfer of care. So there's different people — like I said, it's a team base where different people are in charge of different things. We'll have the nurse in charge that's in charge of documenting our interventions that have been done so far, time of down, the patient was down, and then she starts documenting all the different interventions that were done by the hospital staff as well. You also give a report to the doctor who's then taking over as lead for the cardiac arrest. They're going to start issuing orders for the patient in treatment, and then you have registration that will get the information to register the patient so that they can tie all of their interventions to.
MR. LALLY: And during that sort of process of exchange of information and things of that nature, what if anything did you learn in regard to the core body temperature?
MR. FLEMATTI: To add that assessment, I believe it was at a core body temperature of 80°.
MR. LALLY: What if any significance does that have in regard to the typical core body temperature?
MR. FLEMATTI: Typical core body temperature is going to be in the high 90s. A body temperature being at 80, with a rectal temp — core temp — is going to be extreme hypothermia.
MR. LALLY: Now, here you could [unintelligible] for a certain amount of time, correct, before you clear?
MR. FLEMATTI: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And at that point in time, while you were at Good Samaritan in that initial time, what if anything did you learn as far as Mr. O'Keefe's status or what had happened?
MR. FLEMATTI: So as we talked about before, with the hypothermia and the extreme cold, they're going to work that for an extended period of time. Most cardiac arrests, I will try and hang out by the patient or in the area — — the doctors and nurses might have follow-up questions, so I try to stay available as an asset that they can bounce those questions off, at least for 10 or 15 minutes afterwards, to make sure the whole process is completely transferred from all the interested parties.
MR. LALLY: And during that course of time, what if anything did you learn as to the eventual status of Mr. O'Keefe?
MR. FLEMATTI: We didn't learn anything. While we were at the hospital, we then cleared the hospital, returned back to quarters to decon the ambulance, and to replenish all the equipment that we had used, get back in service, and move on with the shift.
MR. LALLY: At some point during the course of the shift, did you have occasion to go back to Good Samaritan?
MR. FLEMATTI: Personally, no. It would have been for an additional medical call if there were any calls for service afterwards.
MR. LALLY: Did you recall whether or not you went back to Good Samaritan for any additional medical calls or anything of that nature?
MR. FLEMATTI: I don't recall.
MR. LALLY: Sir, if I could direct your attention to the screen just over there. Miss Gilman, if I could please have exhibit number nine. So direct your attention to what's been previously marked as exhibit number nine up on the screen — you recognize what's in that photograph?
MR. FLEMATTI: The house.
MR. LALLY: It's at the house that you responded, is that correct?
MR. FLEMATTI: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And Miss Gilman, if I could have exhibit number — if I could have exhibit number 14. Again sir, what's up on the screen, do you recognize what that is?
MR. FLEMATTI: I see blood, snow, general area.
MR. LALLY: And lastly, if I could have number 18. And again — do you recognize what's on the screen as number 18?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yes, very much so.
MR. LALLY: Sir, I'm going to hand you a laser pointer — basically just press on this button here in this direction. So, Firefighter Flematti, within this photograph — the photograph on screen is exhibit 18 — do you see the area in which you observed Mr. O'Keefe on the ground when you first arrived?
MR. FLEMATTI: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Okay, and using that laser pointer, could you direct the jury's attention to where in this photograph you observed him when you initially arrived?
PARENTHETICAL: [Pause.]
MR. LALLY: You may turn. Thank you. Nothing further for this witness at this time.
MR. FLEMATTI: [Pointing.] Initially arrived would have been in this area here.
MR. LALLY: One moment.