Commonwealth v. Read — Trial ArchiveKatie Camerano - Direct/Cross
359 linesCOURT OFFICER: Court is back in session. You may be seated.
JUDGE CANNONE: Your next witness, please, Mr. Lally.
MR. LALLY: The Commonwealth call Mrs. Katherine Camerano.
COURT OFFICER: Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that evidence you give to the court and jury in this case will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
COURT OFFICER: Thank you. Slide right up close to that microphone and speak nice and loudly.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay, whenever you're ready, Mr. Lally.
MR. LALLY: Good morning, ma'am.
MS. CAMERANO: Good morning.
MR. LALLY: Could you please state your name and spell your last name?
MS. CAMERANO: Katherine Cammarano, C-A-M-E-R-A-N-O
MR. LALLY: And where do you live?
MS. CAMERANO: Canton.
MR. LALLY: How long have you lived in Canton?
MS. CAMERANO: Probably about since 2005, maybe. 20 years, 2005, I think.
MR. LALLY: And who, if anyone, do you live in Canton with?
MS. CAMERANO: My husband, Michael, and my two children.
MR. LALLY: And, how old are your children?
MS. CAMERANO: Right now - 13 and 16.
MR. LALLY: Starting with the 16-year old - is that a boy or a girl?
MS. CAMERANO: Girl.
MR. LALLY: And the 13-year old - is that a boy or a girl?
MS. CAMERANO: Boy.
MR. LALLY: As far as um activities are concerned with your kids do they play sports, or do they do other sorts of activities?
MS. CAMERANO: They play sports, yep.
MR. LALLY: And which sports does your 16-year-old daughter currently play right now?
MS. CAMERANO: Softball.
MR. LALLY: And has she played any other sport in the past?
MS. CAMERANO: She played soccer, um, she played hockey for a little bit, but mostly soccer and softball.
MR. LALLY: And your 13-year-old son, what if any sports?
MS. CAMERANO: Hockey. He does hockey and baseball.
MR. LALLY: Now, do you work, ma'am?
MS. CAMERANO: I do.
MR. LALLY: What do you do for a living?
MS. CAMERANO: I'm a nurse.
MR. LALLY: And how long have you been working as a nurse?
MS. CAMERANO: 21 years.
MR. LALLY: And your husband, does he work?
MS. CAMERANO: He does.
MR. LALLY: And what does he do for a living?
MS. CAMERANO: He's a laborer.
MR. LALLY: And how long has he been doing that?
MS. CAMERANO: Probably 25, maybe even 30 years, actually.
MR. LALLY: And how long have the two of you been together, married?
MS. CAMERANO: Yeah, 20 years. 2004.
MR. LALLY: Now, ma'am, if I could turn your attention to January 28th, 2022 into January 29th, 2022 — did you recall those couple of days?
MS. CAMERANO: Yeah.
MR. LALLY: And do you recall what days of the week they were?
MS. CAMERANO: It was Friday into Saturday night.
MR. LALLY: And starting with the Friday of the 28th, were you working that day?
MS. CAMERANO: I was working that night.
MR. LALLY: And sort of typically, what kind of shift do you work?
MS. CAMERANO: I work 7 P.M. to 7 A.M., nights, mostly weekends.
MR. LALLY: The weekends would be sort of typically when you'd be at work?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And around this time of January 2022, when you were at work, do you know what sort of activities your husband and your children would be doing typically on like a Friday night?
MS. CAMERANO: Friday night, they went to Johnny's house a lot, and the kids hung out — they all just hung out together on a Friday night.
MR. LALLY: Now starting with Johnny — who do you refer to? You mean John O'Keefe — is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: How is it that you came to know John?
MS. CAMERANO: My husband probably got introduced to him, and then the girls started hanging out, probably 2018, 4th grade. The boys around the same time, when he moved — when he moved to Meadows Avenue, probably around that time.
MR. LALLY: And so Mr. O'Keefe, he had a niece and a nephew who he was a guardian of — is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And he had a niece named Kaylee and a nephew named Patrick — correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: They lived with him — is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: Now with regards to his niece Kaylee and your daughter, how do they know each other?
MS. CAMERANO: They first met on the soccer team, probably soccer — they met soccer, fourth grade. Fourth, or was it — it could have been basketball. She played basketball when she was that little — basketball team, fourth or fifth grade — and then quickly by fifth, sixth grade, they were like best friends, attached to the hip.
MR. LALLY: And as far as Mr. O'Keefe's nephew Patrick in relation to your son, were they the same age as well?
MS. CAMERANO: They were. They played baseball together.
MR. LALLY: And outside of baseball, were they friendly as well?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And so a typical Friday night would be you were at work and your husband and the kids would go over to Mr. O'Keefe's house — correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: You knew where Mr. O'Keefe's house was?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And where was that?
MS. CAMERANO: On Meadows Avenue.
MR. LALLY: About how far away from your house was Mr. O'Keefe's house?
MS. CAMERANO: On Meadows Avenue, maybe two miles. Maybe — I don't know.
MR. LALLY: So a fairly short distance?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Now with regard to this specific Friday night, January 28th, you were at work — and do you know what sort of the plan was with reference to the rest of your family?
MS. CAMERANO: My son was going to play with a friend of his — a school friend in town — and Michael was going to Johnny's with Maline, my daughter, and they were going to hang out there for the night, and Michael and Johnny were going to potentially go out.
MR. LALLY: Now with reference to your daughter and Mr. O'Keefe's niece Kaylee, what if anything — specifically to that day — what if anything was sort of going on with them?
MS. CAMERANO: They had just gotten into Bishop Feehan High School that day.
MR. LALLY: And at this time in January 2022, what grade were they in?
MS. CAMERANO: They were in 8th. They were going into 9th that September.
MR. LALLY: And so they had been accepted to this private school, Bishop Feehan, and got their acceptance letters that day?
MS. CAMERANO: Yep.
MR. LALLY: And what if any conversation do you recall having with Mr. O'Keefe in reference to that on that day?
MS. CAMERANO: They were just really excited about it. Everyone was really excited that they just got in.
MR. LALLY: Now at some point, if you could describe the nature of your relationship — and by "you" I've been using a plural — as far as you and your husband with regard to Mr. O'Keefe?
MS. CAMERANO: He was our friend. He was really good to me and my kids.
MR. LALLY: And as far as the kids were concerned, what if any sort of interplay did you have with regard to his kids, and he with regard to yours?
MS. CAMERANO: I worked weekends and he would take my kids to sporting events. I would do a lot of the stuff during the week if I was around — the practices — and him and my husband would always do the games. The kids used to call them "My Two Dads." It was like they had a lot of fun together. It was like a well-oiled machine.
MR. LALLY: Now through your friendship with Mr. O'Keefe, at some point did you come to know someone by the name of Karen?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And who was Karen Read in relation to Mr. O'Keefe?
MS. CAMERANO: She was his girlfriend.
MR. LALLY: And just to be clear, when we're talking about Karen — do you see Miss Read in the courtroom?
MS. CAMERANO: I do.
MR. LALLY: Could you just identify as to where she's seated, or an article of clothing?
MS. CAMERANO: Right there.
MR. LALLY: Let the record reflect —
COURT CLERK: Identification of the defendant by the witness.
MR. LALLY: Now with regards to the defendant, Miss Read, prior to this date of January 28th, 2022, about how long had you known her?
MS. CAMERANO: Whenever they started dating, probably two years — during COVID.
MR. LALLY: When was COVID?
MS. CAMERANO: 2020. Yeah, probably two years, sometime during the COVID pandemic. Yeah, yep.
MR. LALLY: And as far as you were aware, did she live with Mr. O'Keefe and the children, or did she have somewhere else to live?
MS. CAMERANO: No, she had a house in Mansfield, but she stayed at Meadows Avenue a lot.
MR. LALLY: And so during the course — around this time of January 2022, general time — about how often would you see Miss Read?
MS. CAMERANO: Probably 3 days a week, I would say.
MR. LALLY: And sort of typically, when you would see her, would that be at a game, or your house, anything?
MS. CAMERANO: Drop off, pickup, his house, games, anything.
MR. LALLY: Now as far as Mr. O'Keefe and Miss Read were concerned, with regard to you and your husband, what if any socialization did you have sort of outside of the kids?
MS. CAMERANO: Yeah, we went out to eat, we went to a comedy show. I would socialize with them.
MR. LALLY: About how often would you do that?
MS. CAMERANO: Well, the kids were around mostly, but maybe a few times. I feel like the kids were usually always around.
MR. LALLY: Now, at some point did you become aware that your husband and Mr. O'Keefe had gone out that evening?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And how did you become aware of that?
MS. CAMERANO: I don't know — either Michael told me or my daughter told me, one of them told me. I forget who.
MR. LALLY: And do you know where your husband went that night?
MS. CAMERANO: I don't remember if he told me exactly where he went.
MR. LALLY: And at some point — you're still at work, you're working overnight — is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And the rest of your family — being your husband and your kids — they came home at some point?
MS. CAMERANO: They did.
MR. LALLY: And how do you know sort of when?
MS. CAMERANO: I have an alarm on my house, so I know when somebody opens the door. I have — I can check at work, and it alerts me if the door's open, if the alarm is on or off, who puts it on, who puts it off, what doors are open, when the alarm is rearmed. And I usually don't allow sleepovers, and even if I did, my husband would have called me at work.
MR. LALLY: So fair to say there's a rule within your house that sleepovers don't happen unless you approve?
MS. CAMERANO: Yeah.
MR. LALLY: Now, at some point I'm going to turn your attention to the morning of the 29th. At some point while you were at work, did you receive a call from someone?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And who if anyone called?
MS. CAMERANO: Karen.
MR. LALLY: And about what time was that?
MS. CAMERANO: Probably between 4 and 5.
MR. LALLY: And what if anything did the defendant say to you when she called you around 4 or 5?
MS. CAMERANO: She was just screaming, "Where's Mike? Where's Mike?"
MR. LALLY: And was that a typical sort of situation — that you would get a call from the defendant at that time?
MS. CAMERANO: No, no, no, no. Not at all.
MR. LALLY: And the screaming that you heard — or the phraseology of "Where's Mike" — is that something she said once, or more than once, or something else?
MS. CAMERANO: She just kept saying it. She just kept saying "Where is Mike?"
MR. LALLY: And what if anything did you say in response to that?
MS. CAMERANO: I was just trying — I was just like, hold on, calm down. And as I was doing that, I was rechecking the alarm. I said, "He's home, he's home with the kids. Let me call him." And at some point I hung up, I called my husband — I don't know — it probably felt like a hundred times.
MR. LALLY: Now, you're at work when you get this call — is that right?
MS. CAMERANO: Mm.
MR. LALLY: Do you recall sort of where you were, what you were doing when you got the call?
MS. CAMERANO: I was getting ready to draw morning labs, so I knew it was between like 4 and 5 a.m.
MR. LALLY: And as far as the "Where's Mike" — what if anything did the defendant indicate as to why she was asking?
MS. CAMERANO: John didn't come home.
MR. LALLY: And from your knowledge of John O'Keefe, was that something that was normal?
MS. CAMERANO: No, no.
MR. LALLY: Now during this initial call with the defendant, what if anything did you hear sort of in the background of that?
MS. CAMERANO: Call -- that first call -- um, I don't think I heard anything that I remember. Exhausted as that, yeah, I don't remember it.
MR. LALLY: May I approach?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Ma'am, what I'm going to do is I'll place a document before you. I'm going to direct your attention to the second paragraph on the page. If you can just read that to yourself.
MS. CAMERANO: Oh, okay, yeah. I didn't know if that was -- yes, oh, yeah, sorry.
MR. LALLY: So, Miss Camerano, after reading what I just placed before you, is your memory refreshed as to what if anything you heard in the background?
MS. CAMERANO: I could hear Kaye in the background.
MR. LALLY: And you hung up on that call, and then what did you do?
MS. CAMERANO: Called Michael.
MR. LALLY: And at any point when you're calling Michael -- I think you said you felt like it was about a hundred times -- did your husband Michael answer the phone?
MS. CAMERANO: He never answered.
MR. LALLY: And so after you called your husband many times and he didn't answer, what did you do then?
MS. CAMERANO: I called either Karen's phone or Kaye's phone back. I texted John, I think twice. Um, and then -- whoever's phone I called -- I could hear Jen in the background, that someone had called Jen too.
MR. LALLY: So you were speaking on the phone with either the defendant or Kaye -- correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Yep.
MR. LALLY: And you could hear someone named Jen in the background?
MS. CAMERANO: Yep, I could hear her in the background.
MR. LALLY: And when you say you could hear someone -- like it sounded -- sorry --
MS. CAMERANO: No, no.
MR. LALLY: So, just as far as -- who is that? Jen McCabe?
MS. CAMERANO: She was one of mine's -- um, soccer -- uh, basketball coaches. So I know her voice, heard her voice on the sideline.
MR. LALLY: Yeah, yep. Did you know her personally at all?
MS. CAMERANO: Um, I knew her as mine's coach.
MR. LALLY: And at some point you were talking to Kaye on the phone -- correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And what is it that you were saying to Kaye -- that you were just saying to her -- is she -- is everybody okay -- is she --
MS. CAMERANO: And she said they're going to go out looking for him. I think she said they were going to go out looking, or she went out -- she's going to go out. No one knows where he is. And then I -- I think I, like, hung up with her. And then at some point I maybe texted Kaye or called, and I said, is Karen out alone? And she said no, she's with Jen and Kerry. So I said okay, as long as they're not alone.
MR. LALLY: Now, the second phone call -- you're talking to Kaye and you can hear the defendant talking -- mm -- is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And you hear one side of the conversation or both sides of the conversation?
MS. CAMERANO: I don't really recall exactly. I don't -- I felt like it was just like a lot of like screaming, like "he's not home." I don't really recall 100%.
MR. LALLY: Um, but as far as the screaming that you heard -- "he's not home" -- do you recall whose voice that was that you heard saying that?
MS. CAMERANO: It was Karen.
MR. LALLY: And beyond that, as far as the conversation that you overheard -- what if anything specific about that conversation, in addition to that, do you recall?
MS. CAMERANO: I don't.
MR. LALLY: And while these phone calls are going on, again you're at work -- correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: So what is it that you're doing, sort of in relation to your job, while these phone calls are going on?
MS. CAMERANO: I'm trying to, like, in between, draw labs for my patients, and then I'm like going in the back room texting or calling, and then go back out to the desk, out to the patients.
MR. LALLY: You mentioned that the defendant was sort of screaming when she was talking to you on the phone, and you heard her in the background while you were talking to Kaye. Could you describe -- or how would you describe -- sort of her, and by "her" I mean the defendant's demeanor while you heard her on the --
MS. CAMERANO: She was just like frantically screaming, just screaming, "Where's Mike?"
MR. LALLY: Now during this time you're sort of working, you're dealing with patients, and you're going back and forth to patients on the phone. And in addition to speaking on the phone with the defendant and then with Kaye -- who, with anyone else, did you reach out to or did you talk to at that point?
MS. CAMERANO: Um, I talked to Kerry Roberts in the morning. Um, at some point I don't know if I called her or she called me. Um, and she said that -- I think that he was going to the hospital. And then I called my husband and told him that Kaye was home alone and that he should go get her, because she was at the house alone.
MR. LALLY: Is it your understanding that your husband Michael then went to Meadows to pick up Kaye?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes. Yes, sorry.
MR. LALLY: Now, you mentioned that at some point you spoke to Kerry Roberts -- is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: How do you know Kerry Roberts?
MS. CAMERANO: I've known her since high school.
MR. LALLY: And as far as -- you grew up in the same town, is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: No. I was friends with her cousin, so I had known her, and I always known her, I've been friends with her for a while.
JUDGE CANNONE: Just one moment.
MR. LALLY: Sure. May I approach, your honor?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Now I'm going to show you what's been previously marked as Exhibit 48. Before I do that, I just need to show counsel what I'm showing. May I approach? Yes. What's been marked as Exhibit 48 -- specifically, I'm on page 22 -- with respect to that white box sort of towards the top of the page -- you see a listing of, sort of, participants of that conversation?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: That's a text conversation?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And who was sort of listed as the participant for that conversation?
MS. CAMERANO: Katie Camerano and JJ.
MR. LALLY: And is JJ another sort of name or nickname for John O'Keefe?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And the content -- there's essentially -- there are two blue bubbles on the bottom of that page, is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And do you recognize the content of those bubbles?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And what do you recognize those?
MS. CAMERANO: My text messages to him.
MR. LALLY: Those the text messages you just testified about, as far as sending to John that morning -- correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And both of them are from you, with no response from Mr. O'Keefe -- correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And about what time are the two text messages sent to Mr. O'Keefe, according to that document?
MS. CAMERANO: 5:10.
MR. LALLY: May I approach, just to retrieve?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Now, Miss Camerano, you had mentioned in your testimony that you had some phone calls or conversations with Miss Read on the morning of January 29th -- correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: May I approach again, your honor?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Showing you another document, ma'am. Ask you to look at that and look up when finished.
MS. CAMERANO: Yep.
MR. LALLY: And that document -- do those seem to reflect the calls that you had between yourself and the defendant, Miss Read, on that morning of the 29th?
MS. CAMERANO: Um, yeah.
MR. JACKSON: Objection, your honor. May we approach briefly.
JUDGE CANNONE: May I -- sure, could I please see that?
MR. LALLY: And so, Miss Camerano, from that document, does that seem to be the phone calls and the timing of the phone calls between yourself and Miss Read that morning?
MS. CAMERANO: Okay, yes.
MR. LALLY: May I approach again, your honor?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. LALLY: I'd like to introduce and admit the next exhibit.
PARENTHETICAL: [pause]
MR. LALLY: Now, with reference to -- essentially there are six boxes -- am I correct in that?
JUDGE CANNONE: Any objection, Mr. Jackson?
MR. JACKSON: Not at this time.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. Thank you.
MR. LALLY: Returning that to you which is marked as Exhibit 51. Your Honor, with the Court's permission, I would request to publish that to the jury on the screen.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
JUDGE CANNONE: Mr. Lally, keep your voice up and step aside so all jurors could see this, please.
MR. LALLY: Yes. Just before we get to what's up on the screen -- is that what you have before you, Exhibit 51?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Miss Camerano, starting from sort of the -- as far as the order of these -- do you see sort of "to" and "from" and sort of date-times on there?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And does it appear as if the earlier times are sorted towards the bottom, and then it goes on in time and chronology towards the top?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Miss Gilman, if you could scroll to the bottom of the box.
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And with regard to box six, if you could just tell the jury -- sort of -- it says, um, 1/29/2022, 4:49 a.m., to Katie Camerano, answered, 2 minutes and 51 seconds. And the box above that, number five -- from -- it looks like I called her at 4:56 on 1/29, for 2 minutes and 57 seconds, answered. And the box above, please?
MS. CAMERANO: I called her -- um -- 5:00 a.m., 2 minutes and 4 seconds, answered. And then I called her again at 5:32, for 8 seconds -- that was answered. And then I called her again at 5:34 -- was missed. And then I called her again at 6:44, for 49 seconds, and that was not answered.
MR. LALLY: Thank you. Just retrieve that.
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. LALLY: You can take that down. Thank you. Now, with respect -- Miss Camerano -- is your testimony that in addition to the phone calls that you had with the defendant, you also had some texts back and forth that morning as well?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: You may approach.
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Miss Camerano, showing you a document, asking if you could just take a look at that and look up when you're finished.
MS. CAMERANO: Yep.
MR. LALLY: And do you recognize — what's in that document?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: What do you recognize it to be?
MS. CAMERANO: It's my texts to Karen, and — the sort of first page of that.
MR. LALLY: Is there also, similar to the ones I showed you with regard to Mr. O'Keefe, is there a listing as far as the participants in that conversation?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And who does it say?
MS. CAMERANO: It's Karen Read and Katie Camerano.
MR. LALLY: May I approach again?
JUDGE CANNONE: Yes. approach
MR. LALLY: seeking to admit — no objection?
MR. JACKSON: Objection.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right.
MR. LALLY: Returning — what's now been marked as Exhibit 52 — to you. And, Your Honor, with the court's permission I would publish this on screen for the jury as well.
JUDGE CANNONE: Okay.
MR. LALLY: Now, Miss Camerano, I'd like to direct your attention to the content of this. There's essentially blue bubbles and green bubbles, is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Correct.
MR. LALLY: And is there an indication on there as far as who the message is from and who the message is to?
MS. CAMERANO: The blue bubbles would be me texting Karen, and —
MR. LALLY: If you could, starting with the first bubble on page one, if you could just describe to the jury — and we'll sort of go through it — as far as who the bubble — who the text is from, and the content.
MS. CAMERANO: That's from me. I'm asking Karen, "Are you okay coming" —
MR. LALLY: If you could scroll now — and this next bubble —
MS. CAMERANO: "Go back home so you're safe with Kaye. He will end up home, I bet he's on someone's couch." And the next bubble down is — "Come — what's going on, Karen?"
MR. LALLY: Could you scroll down a little further?
MS. CAMERANO: "I'm driving around with Kerry and Jen." And this is the text that you received —
MR. LALLY: — to yourself?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: And the time on that associated with when that text was —
MS. CAMERANO: I can't read that from there.
MR. LALLY: No — 5:53. Does it say 5:53 a.m.? Is that correct?
MS. CAMERANO: Oh — 5:53. Yes.
MR. LALLY: Miss Gilman, if you will — scroll down — the next message.
MS. CAMERANO: "Okay, is one of them driving?"
MR. LALLY: And just to be clear, this is you texting?
MS. CAMERANO: I'm texting — I'm texting Karen. Yes. "Is one of them driving?" And then —
MR. LALLY: And why were you texting that, or why were you concerned about that?
MS. CAMERANO: 'Cause she was so hysterical. I didn't want her driving. And I'm just going — if you could scroll down to the next message —
MR. LALLY: And what, if any, responses did you receive?
MS. CAMERANO: Yes.
MR. LALLY: Miss Gilman, if you could scroll down to the next —
MS. CAMERANO: And I said, "Okay, keep me posted."
MR. LALLY: If you could scroll down — "At his brother's or mom's?" — question mark — — "or the station he works at?" Both of those messages — about what time were those?
MS. CAMERANO: About 6 a.m.
MR. LALLY: And what, if any — Miss Gilman, if you could scroll down — and then what, if any, response from the defendant?
MS. CAMERANO: This read — uh — following those texts — "I don't think so. His bro is in West Bridgewater — W. Bridgewater."
MR. LALLY: If you could scroll down again — next message —
MS. CAMERANO: "Right. I'm sorry, I'm just brainstorming."
MR. LALLY: Next green bubble.
MS. CAMERANO: "It's okay."
MR. LALLY: And the blue bubble below that?
MS. CAMERANO: "Any luck?"
MR. LALLY: And that was the text you sent at approximately what time?
MS. CAMERANO: 6:34.
MR. LALLY: And Miss Gilman, if you could scroll down — and what was the response?
MS. CAMERANO: "He's dead."
MR. LALLY: And again, at what time did you receive that text message?
MS. CAMERANO: 6:34.
MR. LALLY: If you could scroll down.
MS. CAMERANO: "Karen, are you serious?" — that's a blue bubble — your response to her last statement?
MR. LALLY: Yes.
MS. CAMERANO: And then — "Karen, do you have any idea where he is, or did you find him?"
MR. LALLY: "Last he was in the snow." That last message that you received — what time was that?
MS. CAMERANO: That was at 6:36. "I'm coming."
MR. LALLY: You can take that down. And Mr. — following that text message — the last one about 6:34 a.m. — what, if any, other communication did you have with the defendant that morning?
MS. CAMERANO: Nothing.
MR. LALLY: What, if any, other communication did you have with the defendant since then?
MS. CAMERANO: None.
MR. LALLY: Now, as far as any of the other people that you spoke of — as far as talking to that morning — Miss Roberts or Kaye — did you have any further conversation with them in regards to what was going on?
MS. CAMERANO: No.
MR. LALLY: If I may have just one moment, Your Honor.
MR. LALLY: Nothing further for this witness, Your Honor.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. Cross-examination.
MR. JACKSON: Hi, how are you?
MS. CAMERANO: I'm good.
MR. JACKSON: To Mr. Lally's last point — after that series of text messages that you had early in the morning on January 29th, 2022, you said you didn't hear from Miss Read — or didn't have any communication with her after that — is that right?
MS. CAMERANO: Yeah. Yes.
MR. JACKSON: When — did you reach out to her text message-wise?
MS. CAMERANO: No.
MR. JACKSON: Okay. Were you aware that her phone had been seized shortly thereafter from her?
MS. CAMERANO: No.
MR. JACKSON: Thank you. That's all I have.
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. Miss Camerano — there's nothing else, Mr. Lally — right?
JUDGE CANNONE: All right. Miss Camerano, you're all set. Thank you.
MS. CAMERANO: Okay. Thank you.